You hit the nail on the head. Leaking classified information by officials costs this country millions of dollars not to mention the jeopardy it puts our agents.

Speaking as someone who worked in the intelligence field (cryptology, to be specific) throughout my 20 year Navy career, my instant reaction is complete agreement.

But on further reflection, I strongly believe that much information gets classified when it shouldn't be (not so much in cryptology, but elsewhere).

Which doesn't excuse those who think they "know better" and release this information to reporters. But those idiots who make information classified to protect themselves or others from being embarrassed really piss me off because they undermine the legitimate effort to keep secret information SECRET.

I think that the point is that the media invented this fake scandal, it will be completely hilarious if they are the ones actually harmed by it.

A-fuckin'-men, Will. Pisses me off SO much to see leaks that get brushed off because some reporter who doesn't even know what the words 'national security' mean is in a hurry to scoop an article.

It's like the people scandalized by the fact that Reagan fired the airport workers for doing what they swore, in writing, never to do.

Rules are rules. You can debate their merit and try to change them, but rule of law is important, some might say.

Another interesting quote:
"Espionage law was previously used successfully in a Fourth Estate-related case to convict Samuel L. Morison in 1985. Morison, a civilian employee of the Navy, sent "secret" spy photos to Jane's Defense Weekly, a publication, not a foreign power. "
Um Jack, the USSR did read Jane's Defense Weekly.

I have to agree. But what amazes me is you have men and women of good character and judgement, who go through background checks and other qualifications criteria and are held to very high expectations for top security clearances. And then you have politicians and appointed beauracrats, who I generally wouldn't trust with a can of soup, who are given access to the same level of information by virtue of their position. Don't misunderstand, I support civilian control of the military, but the incongruity is sometimes amazing. Just look at Sandy Berger for example.

Speaking as another one of the little guys with a clearance,

A-fuckin'-men.

There are few worse ways to end a day at work than to have one's work invalidated because someone decides to leak one aspect of it or another to the press. It is utterly galling when someone thinks that the benefit to their newspaper or television show that comes from revealing classified information is greater than the national security requirement that brought about the classification in the first place. Let us not forget that "national security", overused term that it is, really stands for "security of lives and livelihoods of the individual people who make up our nation". Deliberate disclosure of classified information is illegal and absolutely should have unpleasant consequences. Amen!

Hmmm... Sandy Berger can DESTROY stolen classified documents for a relatively minor fee, whereas us little folks would be breaking rocks in Ft. Leavenworth... FOR A LONG DAMN TIME. Let's enforce the laws - equally.

Speaking of Sandy Berger, he was just charged with reckless driving in Fairfax County. That's a violation of his probation. Let's see what happens next.

"But on further reflection, I strongly believe that much information gets classified when it shouldn't be (not so much in cryptology, but elsewhere)."

And perhaps stuff that shouldn't be classified wouldn't be if the laws against disseminating it were rigorously enforced.

Actually, the best way to get rid of a lot of dumb laws is to enforce the living crap out of them. Support for some of them would evaporate overnight.

So does Jake Shafer thinks Karl Rove is off the hook for 'outing' Valerie Plame?

Just wondering

I have two very dear friends who I have known since 1957. We all three served in the military, two of us in the Army Security Agency and one in the Air Force Security Service. We are all now retired and in our dotage. We reminisce, but we still do not mention anything to each other that we don't know for sure is in the public domain. Why? Duty, honor, humility.

I have met many others over the years who have knowledge gained that was classified under codewords which are themselves highly classified. We know who we are. We share a brotherhood. We never talk about it. Why? Duty, honor, humilty.

We are not in any way exceptional. We did our duty. We know of those who did not come back. We don't talk about it. Do the American people have a right to know? Not our decision.

Did we do anything illegal or immoral? Not to my knowledge. What do we think about those who break the trust? Gentlemen do not use those words in public.

Amen. End of sermon. Ya all go home and eat now.

Oh, come on. What jeopardy. Leahy only got one CIA agent killed... that's a small price to pay for good press sourcing, right?

Speaking of Sandy Berger, he was just charged with reckless driving in Fairfax County. That's a violation of his probation. Let's see what happens next.

I hear the noodle is already in the pot....

I'm a defense contractor (lovingly known to the Air Force as "bloodsucking contractor scum"). Due to the nature of our work, everyone has to have a security clearance. We've been told in no uncertain terms that anyone who commits a security violation will be fired. There is no doubt in our minds that this is true.

The reason for such harsh treatment is simple - if the government decides we can't be trusted to safeguard classified information, they can decertify us from handling it. That would result in a couple hundred of us to lose our jobs. We don't screw around.

Now, why shouldn't government officials, politicians, and bureaucrats be held to the same standards as us lowly contractor scum? There isn't a valid reason on Earth to explain letting them get away with actions that would get us fired, if not imprisoned. For a start, Sandy Berger should be in jail for a very long time.

If it's classified, it's classified. It should not be shared - especially with the press!

These (the press) are the same peole who think the public has a right to know where our troops are going to attack next and where they are hiding out. They give our enemies way too much info that no one really has "the right to know".

Remember the furor that erupted when Daniel Ellsburg gave a copy of a secret Rand Corporation history of U.S. decision making in the Vietnam War to the New York Times?

Ellsburg was a paid consultant who had helped draft the documents tracing the events, thinking, and rationale behind our deepening involvement in the conflict, from our promises made to France in World War II, through their atrocious post-war mismanagement of the region, Dien Bien Phu and the disastrous battle of the Plaines des Jarres, right up to the reluctant implementation of withdrawal by Nixon.

Our policies regarding Southeast Asia were determined in turn by SIX presidents and all their advisors and counselors: Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon.

Some years after the publication of the so-called Pentagon Papers, I came across a used copy of the New York Times paperback edition. In the intervening years I'd read a fair number of books on the diplomatic, economic, strategic and tactical decisions of the countries involved in the two great wars of this century. Armed with the perspective of those, the reading the Pentagon Papers struck me with how glacially inevitable the whole exercise was.

The fuss at the time was that our Government had LIED to the public, simply to maintain a useless effort they knew would fail. The successive administrations of Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon each claimed that U.S. abandonment of South Vietnam and other Southeast Asian allies would lead to a communist bloodbath in the region, and undermine confidence among U.S. allies worldwide. This logic was termed “The Domino Theory.” The left insisted that it was a cynical justification the administration had fabricated, and would never happen.

In 1975 the U.S. Congress had voted to end funding for any further U.S. military assistance to South Vietnam. The North Vietnamese quickly over-ran the south, and began imposing a brutal repression on the population, singling out for particular punishment, anyone identified as having collaberated with the U.S.
The liesurely slaughter of over three million Cambodians by communist Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, the continuing repression of its people by the military junta ruling Myanmar, the hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese "Boat People" fleeing the re-education camps of the communist North Vietnamese — none of these atrocities are worth the notice of the Leftists, despite that they prove the Domino Theory's predictive accuracy.

In fact, not only was the Domino Theory proven by history, but the publication of the Pentagon Papers actually can by itself be credited with a decade-long diplomatic drought during which governments both friendly and hostile to the U.S. were extremely reluctant and hesitant to go forward with talks, negotiations, bartering, or exchanges out of fear their discussions could NOT be kept confidential.

Sandy Berger makes me sick. A) He gets let off for such a huge crime. B) The media, since he isn't a Republican, ignores a story which would have spent the past year with Newsweek cover stories.

Now he violates his parole. This is a perfect test of this two-time legal system. I can't tell you how upset I am about the stolen and destroyed documents. It just absolutely amazes me that the story never went anymore. This parole thing is a small consolation prize, but the fact is that they wouldn't go light on any one else. So, we shall see.

Livid.

Damn Skippy

Agreed, Will. What Berger did would have gotten any of us terminated, at the very least.

There's another example out there: John Deutch. Deutch did things that would have gotten me put in prison (probably) and got to keep his clearance and continue working with classified data. Baffling. FAS.org has a whole lot of stuff on him if you're curious.

Some of what FAS.org has points to some interesting activities of one George Tenet, BTW.

breaching confidentiality on classified documents should be a capital crime.

no options, no possible plea bargaining, no lesser includeds. hang them or let them go.

suddenly many fewer dem staffers and reporters, plus a more secure country. win win!

As one who was entrusted with a Top Secret security clearance and to the best of my knowledge, never compromised classified information, I find this double standard quite offensive.

I'll agree with pretty much all of the comments.

Yes, information is often overclassified, but better that than giving information away. There are far too many instances where we basically wrap everything up in a bow and hand it over to our enemies. "Here you go! Come destroy us!"

Yes, there are accidental leaks, particularly with information that's inadvertently become unclassified. I used to love it as an open source analyst, and then I got a clearance. My dislike for Bill Gertz et al began shortly after that.

And it's not just politicians and those who get clearances based on their positions who aren't punished. Higher-ups within the various agencies who commit security violations are often protected, too. Generally, when I've seen that happen, there's a valuable analyst lost when they become a scapegoat.

It disgusts me.

Its time we start throwing leakers and publishers of confidential information in the clink and throwing away the key. That should include editors.

I was once a combat engineer in a NATO army. When I took my Sgts course, I could not attend the lectures on nuke demolitions because I couldn't get the clearance in time (having been born in what is now essentially a commie country - same thing for a friend born in Poland). Yet at the same time, an Ex of mine with a summer job as a gopher for a Federal MP had no problem getting a security clearance - which she needed since the Fed Govt was in the habit of classifying EVERYTHING at least secret. 99% of the material so classified had absolutely squat to do with national security - rather it was potentially politically embarassing. This practice totally devalued the whole concept of security. By debasing classifications this way, the government was practically begging the media and others to treat security as a joke.

I don't know if the situation in the 'states is the same - but if it is, then I can understand (though not condone) why the media thinks that it is a joke. The media IS supposed to find out about political gaffes. If you lump those in with matters of real national security, you get what you deserve - of couse, the folks in the field who get hurt don't deserve it, but then they never do.

Remember, you don't have to love the f*cking army, but the army loves f*cking you.

Nothing is too good for the troops, and nothing is what they shall get.

Those of that take security seriously would be breaking rocks in Levenworth for a long time if we did what Berger did. Instead, Berger is out breaking the speed limit (88 mph on I-66). Makes you wonder if there aren't some elites running loose in the country.