I am reminded of a fictional terrorist gang that appears in several scenarios in the Railroad Tycoon II game: People Against Humanity. Life imitates art.

(In the initial scenario, PAH attacks a monster geothermal plant in Spain - getting its energy supply direct from the Earth's mantle - and you have a set amount of time to send enough cement by rail to do the repairs. There's a catch: geothermally-induced global warming is causing ocean levels to rise - which will eventually cut off parts your rail system.)

TO: Allan K. Henderson
RE: Reminded Of...

"Species traitor exists as a forum for spreading and developing theories and practical means to bring about the destruction of civilization and defend what wilderness remains." -- Bidinotto

...gangs in computer sims?

I'm reminded of that group of greens in Rainbow Six, a Tom Clancy novel.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

I had to laugh when I saw where these folks were headquartered. I worked for 7 years in Greensburg (about 25 miles east of Pittsburgh), and for some reason there are a disproportionately high number of wackos in that region.

It's a semi-rural rust belt area with a lot of drug trade happening. What you end up with is marginalized blue-collar conservative types rubbing elbows with "better-living-through-chemistry" enthusiasts.

Imagine if Hunter S. Thompson had written "Deliverance" and you get the idea.

Which may explain why the little town of Jeannette (adjacent to Greensburg) plays host to an annual Bigfoot hunters convention:

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_washington/20031005wabigfoot1001p6.asp

They're against the "mass death culture" by advocating the death of the human species? Reminds me of the AFLAC duck running into Yogi Berra.

And wouldn't the Endangered Species Act protect humanity from extinction?

Maybe what needs to be done is for civilization to shun this moron. Post his name and address in the papers and ask everyone to decline his buisness when he tries to buy anything. He doesn't like civilization? We don't like him either and choose to exercise our right to interact ( or nt interact ) with who we choose.

They are no different than the people who want to go to war with the rest of the world and turn it into one big Wal-Mart built by Halliburton.

Well, well, well.

If these folks are serious about wanting to destroy cvilization and even humanity itself, I submit the following recommendations.

1. Send your money and anything civilized and of worth to me, I'll take care of it, honest I will.

2. If you really want to rid the planet of humans, please start with yourselves. We'll be follow in just a while, really. We will.

Toad,
Why yes, of course...

Removing two dictatorships so that 50 million people can choose their own governments... why, that is EXACTLY a plan that requires 9/10ths of the human race to die.

Opening discount stores so that everyone can have cheap consumer goods... yes, that is EXACTLY like "bringing about the destruction of civilization."

Do words mean ANYTHING to you? Or did you stay at university for a very, very long time in the Post Modern Thought department?

I'm gonna guess there aren't all that many "thoughts" happening at ToadThoughts.com...

Wal-Mart and H sound good to me.

RDub,

Good call. "Doesn't anyone see the similarities between the last Star Wars and the our current situation?" [over a Photoshop of Bush as Palpatine]

Real deep thinker there.

These people are the nutcases that want to live in, "go back" to, or otherwise recreate their fantasy of "life in the Ewok village". That is a term I use for people who seem to think that all life's problems will be solved by banning technology and innovation, banning "consumerism", banning war, banning Starbucks, WalMart,(your choice here), banning....oh, you get the point. The less extreme ones are everywhere - you know, those people who are always trying to stop "development" or "sprawl". The ones who insist that a three story building is "massive". Those who insist on "urban infill" and "transit villages" rather than allowing one to have a home with a yard. The ones suing to stop freeways, insisting that "everyone" take mass transit. In the Ewok village, we are sustainable, renewable, and non-polluting. These are the people who drive old VW buses that run on Crisco. I am really, really, tired of them. But since I live in the SF Bay Area, I am doomed.

You learn something new every day. For example, I had no idea Halliburton built Wall-Marts. But now I do.

Well, once we turn into three foot tall teddy bears with suspiciously placed large, tree-based weaponry, an Ewok village sounds like fun!

Is Al GOre their honary chairman?

"We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to
come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our
valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our
homemade religion -- guilt-free at last!"
- Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue)

"We must ... reclaim the roads and the plowed land, halt dam construction,
tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers, and return to wilderness
millions and tens of millions of [acres of] presently settled land."
- David Foreman, Founder of Earth First! (taken from his book
Ecodefense: A Field Guide to Monkey Wrenching)

"We must make this an insecure and uninhabitable place for capitalists and
their projects. This is the best contribution we can make towards
protecting the earth and struggling for a liberating society."
- Ecotage, an offshoot of Earth First!

"To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem."
- Lamont Cole (as quoted by Elizabeth Whelan in her book Toxic Terror)

"This is as good a way to get rid of them as any."
- Charles Wursta, Chief Scientist for the Environmental Defense Fund,
in response to the banning of DDT (as quoted in Toxic Terror by
Elisabeth Whelan) ("Them" refers to "all those little brown people
in poor countries.")

"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go
out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."
- Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace (quoted in Access to Energy, Vol.
10, No. 4, Dec 1982)

"The planet is about to break out with fever, indeed it may already have,
and we [human beings] are the disease. We should be at war with ourselves
and our lifestyles."
- Thomas Lovejoy, tropical biologist and assistant secretary to
the Smithsonian Institution (quoted by David Brooks in The Wall
Street Journal article, "Journalists and Others for Saving the
Planet, 1989)

"Now, in a widening sphere of decisions, the costs of error are so
exorbitant that we need to act on theory alone, which is to say on
prediction alone. It follows that the reputation of scientific prediction
needs to be enhanced. But that can happen, paradoxically, only if
scientists disavow the certainty and precision that they normally insist
on. Above all, we need to learn to act decisively to forestall predicted
perils, even while knowing that they may never materialize. We must take
action, in a manner of speaking, to preserve our ignorance. There are
perils that we can be certain of avoiding only at the cost of never
knowing with certainty that they were real."
- Jonathan Schell (in his book, Our Fragile Earth)

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific
evidence to back up the greenhouse effect."
- Richard Benedick, an employee from the State Department working
on assignment for the Conservation Foundation (from his report
Who Needs Evidence?)

"[W]e have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements,
and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide
what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider (quoted in Our Fragile Earth by Jonathan Schell)

"Let's face it. We don't want safe nuclear power plants. We want NO
nuclear power plants."
- A spokesman for the Government Accountability Project, an
offshoot of the Institute for Policy Studies (reported in
The American Spectator, Vol 18, No. 11, Nov. 1985)

"Scientists who work for nuclear power or nuclear energy have sold their
soul to the devil. They are either dumb, stupid, or highly compromised....
Free enterprise really means rich people get richer. And they have the
freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in
the process.... Capitalism is destroying the earth. Cuba is a wonderful
country. What Castro's done is superb."
- Helen Caldicott, Australian pediatrician, speaking for the Union
of Concerned Scientists (as quoted by Elizabeth Whelan in her
book Toxic Terror)

"We've already had too much economic growth in the United States. Economic
growth in rich countries like ours is the disease, not the cure."
- Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

Paul Ehrlich deserves special attention, because his views sum up the
anti-human trends of political-environmentalist thought -- trends that
frequently manifest themselves in predictions of global famine or plans for
draconian measures to halt or reverse population growth. In "The
Population Bomb", Ehrlich predicted that the "battle to feed humanity is
over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions
of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs
embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer."

Of course, that inevitable mass starvation didn't happen unless you were
unlucky enough to have it imposed upon you by a Communist government in
Ethiopia. But Ehrlich has persisted in his predictions. He predicted
global famine in 1985 and was wrong. Now he says that the population of
the United States will shrink from 250 million to about 22.5 million before
1999, because of famine and global warming.

He still recommends reducing population by force, saying: "Several coercive
proposals deserve serious consideration, mainly because we will ultimately
have to resort to them, unless current trends in birth rates are revised."
Among Ehrlich's "coercive proposals" for the United States are
deindustrialization, liberalized abortion, and tax breaks for people who
have themselves sterilized. Ehrlich has many supporters in the
environmental movement.

"The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and
traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state."
- Kenneth Boulding, originator of the "Spaceship Earth" concept
(as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

"Childbearing [should be] a punishable crime against society, unless the
parents hold a government license.... All potential parents [should be]
required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes
to citizens chosen for childbearing." - David Brower, Friends of the Earth
(as quoted by Rael Jean Isaac and Erich Isaac in The Coercive Utopians,
1985)

Lastly, when Prince Philip of the United Kingdom, leader of the World
Wildlife Fund, stated recently that, were he to be reincarnated, he would
wish to return as a "killer virus to lower human population levels."