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The NYT is Stuck on Stupid
Posted by Stephen Green  ·  20 September 2005

The New York Times is getting rid of 500 employees:

The Times said it expected 250 jobs at its main newspaper group to be affected, which includes the Times, the International Herald Tribune and the online operation of the Times. Of those job cuts, about 45 will come from the Times' newsroom, the company said in a statement.

This, in the same week the NYT walled off its Opinion page to all but paid subscribers. Stupid.

Opinions are cheap. Everybody has one and, as the blogosphere has shown, it doesn't take any superhuman skill to express an opinion in a readable way.

Reporting is expensive. Not everyone has the time to go out and find stories. Not everyone can afford a research staff. Not everyone has the skill to develop and maintain useful contacts.

Look. I usually suspect any New York Times story to be biased - but I can expect it to be researched and fact-checked. And in this day and age, I can rely on some smart blogger somewhere to tell me exactly what the NYT got wrong. But what I can't expect blogs to do - at least not yet - is to do the dreary, day-in-day-out work of getting the news in the first place. For all its faults, the MSM is still far better than blogs at reporting.

Given all that, do recent decisions at the New York Times make any sense? They're forcing people to pay for opinions they can get most anywhere else for free, while cutting back on doing the one thing they can still do better than anyone else. The New York Times, in other words, is eating its seed corn.

Sure, the NYT may improve online revenues by charging for opinion pieces. But is it really in their best interest to wring extra money out of Maureen Dowd, if they're going to cut back on the reporters who do the only work there worth paying for?

Comments

Remember how you felt when you just knew the betamax was toast? Remember where you were when you realized 'dot com' stocks were a fraud? Remember how after using netflix for a month when you drove by the "blockbuster video" and you just laughed?

Thats how I felt when I saw that the NY times now wanted me to pay for the worst content on their site.

10 years from now we will talk about the New York Times the way the old timers talked about the New York Herald.

Posted by: Frank Martin at September 20, 2005 11:18 PM

I agree with Frank.

Interestingly, I had the same thought when I was watching the Emmys on Sunday night. The recognition of Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter Jennings was a tacit memorial to network news and its role in American information gathering. Clearly, with the retirement of Tom Brokaw, the "retirement" of Dan Rather, and the passing of Peter Jennings, an era in broadcast journalism is also past.

Ironic that the NYT corp should announce the end of another facet of the old media this week as well.

Posted by: caltechgirl at September 20, 2005 11:48 PM

re: "Stuck on stupid"

Good lord, not even a day old and I'm already sick of it. If there's anything US political discussion (regardless of ideology) needs less right now than a "funny" new way to call people names and avoid substantive discussion I can't think of what it is.

Posted by: Michael Farris at September 21, 2005 03:07 AM

Expect a similar announcement from the WaPo group soon, too.

Posted by: Freeman at September 21, 2005 04:53 AM

The NYT may see its revenues go down. It is a fairly well accepted Micro-econ theory that after prices get so high revenue actually falls. Marty Lafer proved the same thing in the Macro world 30 years ago. "Supply Side Econ" Ronnie proved it works with his tax cuts of 25%(1981-1984) that actually raised revenue in the late 80's.
The name of the micro theory is "Elasticity". It usually works. GM in the late 70's and early 80's is a classic case. In "Real$" their revenue fell almost as fast as their market share even though they were raising prices at a rate that doubled every 7 years,

Posted by: Rod Stanton at September 21, 2005 07:25 AM

Michael Farris:
I disagree that "stuck on stupid" amounts to name calling. If someone tells me I have asked a dumb question, or that I have failed to grasp what subject we are exploring, that is NOT the same as them saying, categorically, "Terry, you are just plain stupid".

The way you can tell if a criticism is, for sure, a personal attack or not is to add the phrase "and you are better than that" to the end of it, and/or "in this instance" at the front of it. Try it.

Furthermore, while it CAN be used to stifle discussion, and no doubt will, using the "stuck on stupid" phrase can also serve to move a discussion forward into a more relevant vein. Which is exactly what Honore was attempting to do.

Posted by: terry ott at September 21, 2005 07:37 AM

They're forcing people to pay for opinions they can get most anywhere else for free, while cutting back on doing the one thing they can still do better than anyone else.

Why, that just sounds like good ole American business know-how to me! Yee-haw!

Posted by: LNS at September 21, 2005 08:11 AM

If your local library subscribes to a database called "America's Newspapers" the online version of the NYT is available through that database free to patrons. In NC at least, that db is part of a package provided to all libraries by state funds so it's accessible at all public libraries, all community college libraries and most university libraries.

Posted by: Roxanne D. at September 21, 2005 08:13 AM

I await the first example of anybody going broke hitting up moonbats to hear what they already believe.

Whenever I get down on the dumps, you know, sad about the world and mortality and stuff? Then I just think back to that hippie chick that sold her bicycle to contribute to the Dean campaign. That makes me laugh and laugh.

So I guess I disagree. I think you'll be surprised at how excited these moonbats will be to not only hear what they wish to hear, but not be confronted with criticism of same.

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 21, 2005 09:22 AM

Has anyone (especially th NYT) considered that a significant part of the pre-firewall editorial traffic was driven by the internet (Blogs & Drudge, etc.), and that a considerable portion of that traffic was bloggers/blog readers who just read the editorials to see the lefty neuroses and poke fun at the animals in the zoo?

I think the NYT is in for a bigger shock than anyone expects.

Ciao

Posted by: kjl291 at September 21, 2005 10:01 AM

Wait, I thought it was only heartless Republican capitalist corporations that "downsized," throwing valuable human beings out of work. You know, the ones that also use eminent domain to take other people's property.
Oh, wait.

Posted by: rbj at September 21, 2005 12:19 PM

Fire the NYT sub editors before the (often superb) reporters who work for the paper of record. After 12 years here, I'm still waiting for my grumpy impatience over the arrogantly soporific headlines and frequently whimsical softball story intros in the NYT to ebb. It hasn't. Blogs now gut MSM with such precision - and panache - that the awful journalism school mandated house style of the NYT is even more of a liability. It's not that the UK MSM press is better at reporting, just that NYT reporters are so ill-served by moribund "packaging". (Also heartily agree with kjl above)

Posted by: Jody Tresidder at September 21, 2005 01:27 PM

Hell, I don't even think it takes super human talent to write news articles. You can train a reasonably intelligent chimp to write AP-style. The tough part is getting the news in the first place, and deciding what should go into the article. The MSM is still, for all its faults, pretty good at that.

Posted by: Timothy at September 21, 2005 02:09 PM

Every time I hear how indispensable these reporters are as first suppliers of information to the blogosphere, I wonder why not of these journalism majors have gotten up and organized their own reporting service to sell their product direct to subscribing blogs.

Of course, that would involve more than just sitting around the hotel talking to the bell captain or recycling one party or the other's prepackaged talking points...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at September 21, 2005 06:08 PM

This means that nasty headlines written by the nasty Maureen Dowd will no longer show up in Google searches. Her idiocy will be displayed only to those with access to Times Direct. This pleases me a great deal.

Posted by: C Devlin at September 22, 2005 06:36 AM

Richard - Who the hell would pay? Bloggers link people to these sites(with the ad revenue that that implies) because it's free for both linker and link-follower. If you've ever seen a blog link to a pay-only article, I'd be quite impressed, and if you could convince a blogger to pay to link people to a site, I'd suggest that you have a lucrative career awaiting you selling snow in Alaska.

Posted by: Alex Sloat at September 22, 2005 11:40 PM

Shameless self-pimpage, but Honore should be honored... NotStuck.com

Posted by: John at September 23, 2005 06:26 PM



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