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Wargaming the Electoral College
Posted by Stephen Green · 31 October 2004
Electoral-Vote.com picks Kerry, 283-246. They have WI, FL, IA and NM all going for Kerry, with NV and NH too close to call. ElectionProjection goes for Bush, 286-252. Dave Leip (US Election Atlas) gives Kerry the Mother of All Squeakers: 272-266. (Slate concurs.) Greg Abbott says he'd "rather be in John Kerry's position than George Bush's." And no wonder. The way he figures undecided will break on Tuesday, they give Kerry a substantial 297-241 win. Tripias goes almost exactly the other way. Bush, 295/Kerry, 243. Meanwhile, TradeSports hasn't changed since Sunday morning. You'll notice a new map of the US at the top of the righthand column of this page. Currently, all states are gray. As election results come in Tuesday, I'll be filling them in with the appropriate colors, along with running totals of the Electoral College vote. For this one, I'll have to stay sober - it looks to be a long night. Here's my last guess before the big day:
Comments
1: As Bush is the incumbent, he should be in Blue, not Red. :-) 2: You're being a pesimist on MN. Check out the guys at Powerline for why (see esp here). Posted by: Greg D at October 31, 2004 11:22 PMLike that but add Minnesota and Hawaii: Bush >= 300. Posted by: htom at October 31, 2004 11:51 PMelectoral vote picks kerry 291-242 as a final. you're quoting his daily poll (there is a link for his final prediction) Posted by: dave at October 31, 2004 11:56 PMNo way Kerry wins New Mexico. I am here, and I am quite sure of it. Nevada, Florida, and Iowa are all going Bush. That guy at Ev is dreaming. Posted by: Brian at November 1, 2004 12:04 AMWhat city do live in Brian, and if in Albuquerque what region? Considering the Bush camp is still coming to New Mexico a couple days before the election, unlike Kerry's, and that the most recent poll taken by the Albuquerque Journal has Bush leading by 3% (within the margin of error). What makes you so sure? Posted by: Brendan at November 1, 2004 12:19 AMScratch that reverse it, as a wise man once said. My comprehension skills are long gone now after a long weekend/workweek. Posted by: Brendan at November 1, 2004 12:29 AMWould someone by kind enough to explain to me how I can save my scenario from opinionjournal.com and post it on my blog? Good call Mr. Green. I only disagree with your Wisconsin pick. Posted by: Brian at November 1, 2004 01:01 AMBrendan, I am in Albquerque, on the west side, where all the newly-built houses are, and I attend UNM Law School, where I am one of only a few Bush supporters. Kerry sent Clinton to Santa Fe. Kerry should win Santa Fe by 85/15. That Clinton went there tells you all you need to know. What has convinced me is the serious, and I mean serious, drop in morale of the Kerry supporters that I see every day. They look and act like I did when I spent a lot of time doing the shit work for Dole in 1996. Posted by: Brian at November 1, 2004 01:06 AMI think Hawaii will turn red; just a feeling. Posted by: Attila Girl at November 1, 2004 01:32 AMSober you say. That's what clinicians call, professionally speaking, "crazy talk" Stephen. Can you seriously run a blog with the name Vodkapundit and not hold your liquor? Come on big guy. I've got a case or more of Beast Light in the fridge right now!!* And I'm drinkin' it all regardless of how the polls turn. Kerry--I'll be drowning my sorrows. Bush--I'll be celebrating. Make it happen. *No I don't. Posted by: Birkel at November 1, 2004 02:33 AMbeware electoral-vote.com. i`ve been looking at it for a couple of weeks and it fluctuates WILDLY from one day to the next. they had bush on top by the same margin just a day or so ago. and i also think hawaii is going for bush. let the games begin! -n- Posted by: nathan in tokyo at November 1, 2004 03:42 AMelectoral-vote.com is 100% poll-driven, which means it suffers from the same "adjusting for my guy" syndrome as all the polls do. That also helps to explain the wild swings. I'm sticking to my guns. Bush 310 EV, lawsuits to follow. Regarding Birkel's comment: The only way I drink the Beast is if Kerry wins. Sort of like a hairshirt. But worse. Posted by: The Parson at November 1, 2004 06:56 AMLong NIGHT? Try long 2 months, while 19 dozen lawsuits are going on. Can you stay sober that long? ;) Posted by: Steve LaBonne at November 1, 2004 07:04 AMWell, both Bush and Kerry have early afternoon rallies scheduled in Milaukee today about 2 blocks from each other. Bush is holding his in the Midwest Airlines center, and Kerry is holding his outdoors in front of city hall. That will effectively close off the entire center of downtown. I wonder how popular that will be with everyone. When Kerry was in Madison last week, he actually stayed in the Milwaukee Hilton, and they closed off the streets around the Hilton, so people who have monthly parking couldn't even get into one of the largest garages that morning when they got into work. Boy were people pissed. I wonder how many votes Bush got that morning. Wisconsin is definitely in play, and both candidates know it. Posted by: Nick at November 1, 2004 07:12 AMOf course Santa Fe will go for Kerry. The place is a granola cereal: Get rid of the nuts and fruits, all you'll have left are the flakes! That said, it'd be a nice place to live, except for the cost of living & the lack of jobs. Posted by: Cybrludite at November 1, 2004 07:27 AMI will definitely be drinking Tuesday ... but I commend Stephen for "taking one for the team." My thoughts are with you as you try to make it through the long night ... sober. Posted by: Carin at November 1, 2004 07:29 AMI have to agree about EV being all over the place from one day to the next. When I checked it Friday the numbers for Bush and Kerry were exactly reversed from what they were yesterday and this morning.. Posted by: Cathy at November 1, 2004 07:39 AMCathy and that other guy- I read Electoral-Vote.com religiously, even back when they had Bush winning. They have predicted as a final result a Kerry win for well over a week now. I look at it every day. While it fluctuates it has had a solid trend towards a Kerry win for well over a week. While I don't know that I believe it, it hasn't fluctuated as quickly as you have implied. Slate has likewise been trending towards Kerry and had him winning 299 electoral votes. Frankly it will come down to who carries Ohio and Florida. Florida is evidently trending Kerry but not sure how much time it has to turn blue. It is rumored that 30% of the states' registered voters have already voted. I definitely think Kerry has to hold on to Ohio to stand a chance. What will be humorous is when Kerry wins the EC and Bush wins the popular vote. Karma is a bitch. Posted by: Britton at November 1, 2004 08:13 AMBush 342. Ignore the polls. Posted by: LargeBill at November 1, 2004 08:16 AMAs a service to you Stephen, to ward off any uncalled-for abstinence, I suggest the following strategy, as a means of pacing oneself through the day and evening. Note that all meals are very easy and quick to prepare: Breakfast: Huevos Rancheros, with a proper bloody mary. Mid morning: another bloody mary Lunch: buffalo burger with your preferred microbrewed Oktoberfest-style beer Mid Afternoon: another Oktoberfest beer. Pre-dinner Cocktail Hour: A Lustau Fino Sherry as an apertif. Dinner: Tuscan-style Porterhouse with a fine Australian shiraz, in honor of John Howard's election. Dessert: Who screws around with dessert when one can open a bottle of Booker's Choice, the finest bourbon on the planet? Poured neat, of course, and really not too much, given it is somewhewre beween 120-140 proof, depending on the batch. After all, one must leave room for the favored libation of the host of this forum, which leads to, when results start coming in....
Note that one has had three good meals and 8 drinks (assuming the Shiraz is split with another person) over, say, 12 hours, before the vodka comes out to play. Thus, one should be well prepared for celebration or sorrow, depending on events. It might not be the best day to operate heavy machinery, however..... Posted by: Will Allen at November 1, 2004 08:58 AMBTW, where did you get that nice electoral map? Posted by: Jay Reding at November 1, 2004 09:14 AMThis is what will happen tomorrow night. To me it comes down to this...will the Midwest (OUR HEARTLAND) buy into the hand out Kerry Socialism and lower moral standard ideology.... The America I know says NO! I am counting on the good people of Wisc, Iowa,Ohio and Minnesota to put the Hip Hoppers and college commies to sleep! Posted by: Republic Rocker at November 1, 2004 09:44 AMBush 300+ ECV/57% PV Posted by: TmjUtah at November 1, 2004 10:49 AMAnd what color will you be using for Nader? Posted by: Laurence Simon at November 1, 2004 10:57 AMFor Nader? Pink. Posted by: Patrick at November 1, 2004 11:23 AMhip hoppers and college commies? i think the heartland can go f itself. they should be happy they get the disproportionate amount of EV votes they get that allow our elections to focus only on what they want/need and get over it if they lose out. frankly if the coasts have more people and vote overwhelmingly democratic, that's just the way it is. sooner or later the system will correct itself and the "heartland" will submit to the will of the majority instead of wasting our entire election year on their concerns. why do you have to stay sober? Jeff: sooner or later the system will correct itself and the "heartland" will submit to the will of the majority... Ummmm, Jeff. . . I'm a gun owner in the heartland and I will never submit. If our country goes in the tank because of people like you that don't care about right and wrong, I will take action. Posted by: TheHeartland at November 1, 2004 01:14 PMSo, you're following the money, eh? (Identical to Tradesports map...) Me, I'm a touch more sanguine, and will go with 291-247. (HI and the one district in Maine flip. Does anyone know of an EC calculator that can handle splitting Maine (or Nebraska, or Colorado, for that matter) Posted by: Jeff R. at November 1, 2004 01:59 PMHeartland- And likely be outnumbered. And progressive ideals will run you over like they did the South during the civil war. I support your right as a gun owner and frankly don't care if you own a gun. However I do care when your conservative religious based values invade my life. Keep your religion out of my life and I might vote to keep the government out of your wallet. Posted by: Jeff at November 1, 2004 02:06 PMJeff, You need to spend a little of that college time re educating yourself on the Electoral College and the shift in votes. Some of those heartland states you besmirch have actually lost votes since 2000 while your beloved California gained. Remember, the swing states are not decided by geography, but rather by how split the vote appears to be among the populace. While Florida got all the attention due to litigation, NH would have changed the 2000 outcome. Here's my prediction: A Bush electoral blow out when a few 'blue' states unexpectedly turn red. Hawaii will go for Bush as well. And Cah LEE Fo NEE Yah - will be closer than expected. Posted by: Michael at November 1, 2004 02:36 PMIf California is gaining EV votes, it's doing so because of population growth. The argument being made isn't one regarding the EC, it's being made about how states in the "heartland" get more EV votes per capita than those liberal elitist states like anything north of Virginia on the East Coast, the Rust Belt states and the entire West Coast. People who argue to keep the EC says it keeps those heartland states as a matter of interest in politics. To me it gives disproportionate attention to states with fewer people than other states like California and NY. It lets those states define the election and our government when frankly their vote is not more or less important than mine. It's because of that mentality that you have a supporters of the President pandering to Bible beaters that gays want to get married and Kerry will help them do it. Or that Kerry is going to take away your guns. I'm just of the idea that it should be one person, one vote, and the heartland gets a little too much influence for my liking. Posted by: Jeff at November 1, 2004 03:17 PMRight and wrong does not necessarily have to do with the religion you are thinking of. I'm a Jew. I had a great aunt that fought Nazis in the forests of Poland. Although the Nazis may be stronger, I believe you fight anyway. I'm concerned by the revolutionary/anti-civilization trend I see among many anarchist youth of the left, while the rest just don't care what our future holds. If I came across as a militia fundie, I apologize (though they would fight too). Posted by: TheHeartland at November 1, 2004 03:52 PMOops, my last post was directed to Jeff: Keep your religion out of my life and I might vote to keep the government out of your wallet. I'm sticking with 306-232 Bush. Admittedly Minnesota, Wisconsin, and New Mexico aren't locks, but I think Iowa, Florida, and Ohio are definitely in the Bush camp. And Bush can still pick off Hawaii, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and/or New Hampshire. Unless there is voting fraud on an unprecedented scale (here's hoping there isn't!), Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, and Florida aren't still in play. Posted by: Chris S. at November 1, 2004 04:32 PMThanks in advance for playing, Stephen. I don't have cable television and I don't want to listen to NPR, so I'll be checking in regularly tomorrow. Posted by: Bill Peschel at November 1, 2004 05:09 PMMost of you are dreaming. Kerry is surging as the majority of the undercounted cell-phone only populations are mad as hell at the arrogant and incompetent incumbant. What is so great about perpetual war and colossal debt? He does give a nice warm feeling to the religious right, but he is pissing off the rest of the country (and the world..., but of course no one shoud ever care about that). Bush ought to have had it sewn up by now. -Carl Posted by: Carl at November 1, 2004 06:31 PMI'd like y'all to take a moment, relax your sphincter, and ponder the following. And you're still gonna vote for This Guy. Sucker! Posted by: Consequences at November 1, 2004 07:29 PMBad day to go 'round yanking on yer images-centric, emotional crank, Consequences. Choose another time and place to demonstrate such hysteria. Gawd, Leftist teevee addicts make me sick. Posted by: 6Gun at November 2, 2004 08:32 AMCarl whines: "perpetual war and colossal debt." Children. Soundbite addled, hysterical, factless children...and they're voting for President. 2004 America is proof that leftist evil and political incompetence and a complete inability to think and a complete avoidance of accountablity really can take down an entire country. The debt, Carl, is the product of 35 years of unbridled socialist-minded entitlement spending. This "perpetual" war is the statistically single most successful military endeavor in history. Go iron your dress or something, and leave the heavy lifting to others. Posted by: 6Gun at November 2, 2004 08:38 AM |
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