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Posted by Stephen Green · 14 October 2004
Bill writes: I’m an Army battalion commander currently serving in the heart of Baghdad. Its difficult for me to express how important this election is to those of us currently in harm’s way. We are, Bill. Damn, but we are. Comments
Not to be a nitpicking Nellie here, but I've seen nearly that same email within the past two hours elsewhere, and there are minor but easily identifiable content differences between the two that make me wonder what's what. Where'd you get it, if I may ask? Posted by: Patton at October 14, 2004 11:59 PMPatton, It was in one of the comment threads. As for yourself, are you back for another run at the dogs of war? Hopefully, you were reborn as an American one more time... Stephen, did you communicate with the LTC - an @usarmy.mil email address? Posted by: Greg at October 15, 2004 12:03 AMPatton, It comes from a guy whose email and IP addresses both substantiate who he claims to be. Posted by: Stephen Green at October 15, 2004 12:06 AMGreg: By jove, you're right - the numbers are different in Stephen's post though. From the comment in the other thread: "I’m an Army battalion commander currently serving in the heart of Baghdad. Its difficult for me to express how important this election is to those of us currently in harm’s way. First, let me say that my brigade combat team has been here 6 months. In this time, we have lost over 25 soldiers and had over 300 seriously wounded. Yet, in my battalion alone I have reenlisted over 100 soldiers. I have less than 20 soldiers a day go on sick call out of over 600." 6 months v. 9 months, 25 soldiers v. 20, 300 wounded v. 200, 600 total v. 800. It has an odd tint to it, is what I'm saying. As for me, I remember once having someone jump on me as some sort of chickenhawk for my choice of posting name. Oddly, I had little choice in the matter - it's the name my Dad gave me, and I'm too lazy to make up a name under which to post. Several branches of the family tree removed from George, but related. And none of his attributes are assumed on my part, other than my facility for profane diatribes. Posted by: Patton at October 15, 2004 12:12 AMIf this is a real battalion commander, why does he not know the difference between Afghanistan and Iraq? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 15, 2004 12:19 AMStephen, I've got a bunch of friends over there (I'm a vet) that echo this BC's sentiment. I've noticed the media doesn't advertise that the troops' support for Bush is in the 70s - both active and Guard. In fact, it bumps up a few points for Iraq vets. I don't mind the politicians and their supporters spinning and lying from coast to coast - except when I see the cynical, fake concern for the soldiers and Marines. The people that claim they want the troops to come home are the same people that look down on them as simpletons and patriotic buffoons in peacetime. Supporting the troops doesn't mean only speaking up to bring them home; it means speaking up to recognize the sacrifices they make - whether they're in garrison State-side or in harm's way. No worries: the Army will go rolling along... Posted by: Greg at October 15, 2004 12:19 AMPatton, Carry the name with pride. We will need his (and your) spririt in the days ahead... Posted by: Greg at October 15, 2004 12:21 AMNo worries there, Greg. I'm proud to be my Dad's son, and utterly untroubled by sharing a surname, however peripherally and accidentally, with "Old Blood and Guts". Posted by: Patton at October 15, 2004 12:27 AMOur reason for being in Iraq has evolved (changed) so much since early 2003. The best way to support the troops is to bring them home starting ASAP! I see, and approach, a great divide: Turning first to the right, I smile, wink, and ask "remember when the Republican Party used to actually try to make government smaller?" Turning to the left, I query, "remember when Democrats spoke out for liberal doses of personal freedom?" To the center I say, "remember when neither party would have supported the HUGE federal government we have today! Most importantly, can anyone remember the last time Bush or Kerry used the words 'individual freedom' or 'personal liberty'?" If so, did you believe them? Check it out: http://badnarik.org/plans.php All, I typed my orginal comments late last night my time...not a good typist and in a hurry. When Steven ask me to post to the main page I went back and made sure I had absolutly the right numbers and not working from memory. I am not the greatest typist and I did not proof read to catch the mix up on the 9 and the 6. NO CONSPIRACY HERE, just a guy trying to make a difference. I would prefer anonimity because I am in a fight, and do have some security concerns for my family....paranoid, maybe but you cant be too careful these days. Stephen has my AKO address as well as my unit's web page to verify who I am. Once again, I'm no hugh hewitt, instaguy, or even the great vodkaman. I'm just a guy who gives a shit, and wanted to offer some thoughts. To my friends on the left, pls note I dont use words like libshit or other derogatory terms. Nor do I attack Sen Kerry on a personal level. For all those who emailed support for our military thanks. Truly they are the best our nation has to offer. Stephen thanks for the opportunity. Last thing I have to offer for your consideration are the words of our 37th president, the original JFK, his heroism in war is without question...... "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty". These words have given me strength in my convictions that what our soldiers and marines are doing is right in both Afganistan and Iraq.
Steve and Bill, Then MAYBE we'll have the MSM do stories on themselves (kinda like they did with their 'did we rush to war?' pieces) and ask themselves how they got it SO WRONG, SO OFTEN while democracy took hold, they looked the other way. We're with you 100% and we appreciate your sacrifices for our freedom. THANK YOU. Posted by: Kathleen A at October 15, 2004 04:52 AMBill & Stephen, I am glad to see some of the TRUTH getting the light of day. You would never know it looking at the MSM. They see catastrophe and "quagmire" everywhere. I know better and Bill and his comrades in arms are the reason why. Patriots like them are few and far between and my hat is off to you and your unit. For this Patton guy to be suspect leads me to believe that he thinks otherwise and that is indeed sad - sad for him, his family(if there is one) and sad for the country as this mindset will take hold IF the MSM get their way. Brainwashing the moronic masses who will not or cannot inform themselves and trust what the bs people spew. To watch dan blather et al now is an exercise in restraint - stopping myself from throwing something at the TV. I hate them all for what they are doing to this great country. They are trying to foist their version of socialist values and mindset on us all and I for one will not stand for it. I tune out and turn on to the net. My local newspaper is so bad I cancelled my subscription. Well, Phoenician in a time of Romans, read Bill's two comments below yours. You sure made yourself look like a right jolly ass there. Posted by: The Deuce at October 15, 2004 07:27 AMWell, Phoenician in a time of Romans, read Bill's two comments below yours. You sure made yourself look like a right jolly ass there. He always does. It's his hobby. Posted by: McGehee at October 15, 2004 07:35 AMI would like to thank all the Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Seaman who are defending us around the world! We are free because of them. Posted by: fritz at October 15, 2004 08:32 AMBill, Kick ass and godspeed to you and your group. VN Vet- not a war criminal Posted by: Sharpshooter at October 15, 2004 08:52 AMwe love you Bill!!!!!!!!!!! Bill: Thanks for the clarification - my lightly raised eyebrow at the minor differences in no way impacted my reaction to the message. All the best... Posted by: Patton at October 15, 2004 09:19 AMI am one of the folks who emailed this gentleman and expressed my thanks. His comment about sick call really rang true for me. I am a retired army Physician Assistant with many years in line units. I've pulled a lot of sick call and know that the number on sick call is one measurement of a units morale and motivation. I would estimate that I pulled Battalion level sick call in armor, cav, infantry, FSB's and artillery units well over 2,000 times in my 23 year career. 20 folks on sick call? I sure wish I was assigned as the battalion medical officer in this unit! BTW... the LTC sent me a gracious reply to my note. Steve Stallings PA-C Like others here, Bill, I just want to thank you and those who are with you for your dedication and service to our nation. You are truly the defenders of the freedoms we hold dear -- including the freedoms that make this forum possible. Posted by: denise at October 15, 2004 09:38 AMThose of us who are paying attention understand the sacrifices those guys are making, to try to make Iraq better and that part of the world less threatening. It's a long term project, and Iraq won't be the final effort there. Arab countries are dead end cesspools. Arabs choose to be suicide bombers because they can't stand living as losers like all the others they know. It's time to change that. Posted by: Keanu Palmer at October 15, 2004 09:47 AMBrought tears to my eyes. God bless all of you over there, Bill. And God bless our wonderful country. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 15, 2004 11:06 AMWhy do NeoCon's still use the term MSM as an excuse?? O'Reiley, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Savage, Liddy? Drudge? They don't count? They certainly have a very, very large audience don't they? Doesn't the DOD deliver their neat and pretty news with a big American flag bow to your doorsteps everyday? What about these guys? How many of our brothers and sons will die for the supposed "WOT." When do we stop sending troops? THE WORLD'S WORST DICTATORS Aug 27 2004 But Sir Mark Thatcher will be pleased to know that the man he is accused of plotting against - and his future host if he is extradited from South Africa - is only the sixth worst living dictator in the world. President Teodoro Obiang Nguema is a very bad man, but he will have to go some to match the level of brutality in North Korea, Burma and China. Here is a list of the world's 10 worst living dictators as compiled by dictator-watcher David Wallechinsky in collaboration with Amnesty International, Freedom House, Human Rights Watch and Reporters Without Borders. KIM JONG II Country: North Korea Age: 63 In power: 10 yrs Last year's rank: 1 THE only nation to earn the worst possible score for political rights and civil liberties for 31 straight years. An estimated 150,000 prisoners do forced labour. And Kim Jong is so obsessed with films that he kidnapped movie director Shin Sang-ok from the South in 1978, force-fed him grass and made him do a Marxist version of Godzilla. THAN SHWE Country: Burma Age: 71 In power: 13 yrs Last year's rank: 5 GENERAL Than is sole leader of Burma's military dictatorship. Some 140,000 Burmese displaced by decades of conflict and repression live in refugee camps in Bangladesh and Thailand. In 1990, the party of Nobel Peace Prize-winner Aung San Suu Kyi won an election. But the regime cancelled the results and put her under house arrest. HU JINTAO Country: China Age: 61 In power: 2 yrs Last year's rank: Dishonourable mention HU Jintao is Communist Party president and general secretary. China executes more people than the rest of the world put together - Amnesty International estimates 2,500 a year, others say 15,000. The party controls all media and uses 30,000 "internet security agents" to monitor online use. ROBERT MUGABE Country: Zimbabwe Age: 80 In power: 24 yrs Last year's rank: Dishonourable mention Once the darling of the West, Robert Mugabe has become increasingly dictatorial. His government has killed or tortured and displaced more than 70,000 people. The Supreme Court has carried out the dictator's strategy of silencing criticism and stamping on human rights, and has just blocked an official report on the massacre of 20,000 civilians. CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH Country: Saudi Arabia Age: 80 In power: 9 yrs Last year's rank: 2 Abdullah has been acting leader since his half-brother, King Fahd, had a stroke in 1995. The country holds no elections whatsoever. Human Rights Watch has reported "slavery-like conditions" for the 8.8 million foreign workers in the Kingdom, and Saudi women are second-class citizens. TEODORO OBIANG NGUEMA Country: Equatorial Guinea Age: 61 In power: 25 yrs Last year's rank: 6 Although oil-rich, 60 per cent of the people in this tiny West African nation live on 60p a day. Obiang is believed to have a £500million fortune and is in "permanent contact with the Almighty", according to state radio. He "can decide to kill without being called to account". OMAR AL-BASHIR Country: Sudan Age: 59 In power: 15 yrs Last year's rank: Dishonourable mention Al-Bashir seized power by military force. The country is in the grip of a 20-year civil war that has killed 2million and made 4million homeless. Al-Bashir's army routinely bombs civilians and tortures and massacres non-Muslims. He has also been accused of "engineering famine" in the regions that oppose him. SAPARMURAT NIYAZOV Country: Turkmenistan Age: 64 In power: 14 yrs Last year's rank: Dishonourable mention All government workers must memorize passages of Niyazov's book to keep their jobs. He's banned beards, gold teeth and circuses, renamed months of the year after his mum and created a public holiday to celebrate melons. Last year he cracked down on religious and ethnic minorities. FIDEL CASTRO Country: Cuba Age: 77 In power: 45 yrs Last year's rank: 9 The world's longest-surviving dictator has in the last few years carried out the biggest round-up of non-violent dissidents in more than a decade. He arrested 75 human-rights activists, journalists and academics, sentencing them to 19 years' jail on average. In the last six months he put a blind lawyer and nine activists on trial. Cuba is a one-party state and Castro runs the courts. KING MSWATI III Country: Swaziland Age: 35 In power: 18 yrs Last year's rank: Not listed Educated in England, he has a reputation for lavish living with a fleet of BMWs, a host of palaces and a love of foreign trips, which contrasts with the plight of Swaziland's 300,000 drought-stricken farmers. The country also has the worst HIV/AIDS infection rate in the world. A third of pregnant mothers have tested positive. My first thought after scrolling past DFTycoon's cut and paste job.. "sheesh, what a dick". Post the link, not the entire thing, scumbag! Bill, my heartfelt THANK YOU to you and our brave troops. Posted by: Lydia at October 15, 2004 02:41 PM>>>How many of our brothers and sons will die for the supposed "WOT." When do we stop sending troops? I don't know the answer DFT, but I do know that the day the towers came down and 3000 totally innocent people died was no mirage. A people unwilling to fight for and defend their liberty and freedom certainly do not deserve to long retain them. (I think this was said better by someone before me). Posted by: HomericPundit at October 15, 2004 03:11 PM
DFT, doesn't your second sentence answer the first, or am I missing something? As to invading other countries that [harbor] terrorists, well that depends on the situation, but when we can go after them we should. Better to fight them over there than here. Posted by: HomericPundit at October 15, 2004 05:05 PMposted by GOP operative with a .mil address god you are naive! Posted by: nick at October 16, 2004 12:04 AMAll I know is this. If gwb gets another run at President, then alot more of you over there are gonna die. This war is insane. Whoever votes for Bush has got to be insane. This war was started with no end in sight, I know up here in Canada, we are readying for the influx of Americans who will storm the border if he wins. God lets hope NOT !!! Great. Live, breathe and Die for your country, but alas, I am an American and I dont support the war or bush. don't be fooled by a cowboys war. He's unfit to be President and will kill more men and women by sending them overseas. There is no reason to keep this insanity up for another 4 years. Dont make the mistake of voting for bush. We up here LAUGH at the superior intellect of gwb.. If you look at the U.S. from outside her border long enough, and see just how insane this war is, you'd understand. But all you armchair war vets and living room war proponents, i ask you to leave your homes and leave your country and come watch from up here and see if you don't change your tune...and your minds. i dont care if YOU are in Iraq, all i know is that we have to send the bush's packing in November and lets send a real man who will win the peace and end this escalation before thousands more die. We are reading bloggers from inside the walls of Baghdad, and we know whats going on from the inside. i've also read bloggers from the U.S. Military who want nothing more than to get the hell out of there. If you took a poll tonight, how many soldiers honestly would rather go home than stay there...given the opportunity to speak freely without retaliation from your superiors and the defense department?? May I remind you that gwb has already announced that major fighting was OVER a long time ago, was he insane then too??? VOTE KERRY and put a President in office. Wow, the moonbats are getting more strident as each day passes. Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 16, 2004 01:20 AMJermey, Is it going to take a 'Patton' smack to control your hysteria. Get a hold of yourself. Your embarrassing even your french canadains brothers. Posted by: Jim R at October 16, 2004 01:23 AMJeremy asked: If you took a poll tonight, how many soldiers honestly would rather go home than stay there...given the opportunity to speak freely without retaliation from your superiors and the defense department?? How bout we let Annenberg and the Army Times answer that for you. Annenberg PDF http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/naes/2004_03_military-data_10-15_report.pdf Hmm..I wonder if the Adam Clymer listed as the contact is the same Adam Clymer that Bush called a Major League ahole.. here's the Army Times http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_vote_100404,00.html I'll quote here from the Army Times article of 11 October 04 since I doubt Jeremy has a subscription. "Bush leads Democratic Sen. John Kerry 73 percent to 18 percent in the voluntary survey of 4,165 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times." By the way, those numbers were consistant, only a 1 or 2 point difference either way with those who had been or were currently deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. The Army Times poll is unscientific, but it seems pretty damn accurate according to the scuttlebutt and the concerns of the guys that the dems might try to block the military absentee ballots again since we live in a swing state. For every blog you can show me of guys who just want to "get the hell out of there" I can probably show you 20 blogs and 50 letters of those who are very proud of what they are accomplishing, and who are extremely pissed off at the way they and their mission are being portrayed in the media. By the way, I've been to Canada more times than I can count. Beautiful country..too bad about your government though, eh? Tink, A deployed grunts wife, who yanno..is just an armchair proponant,and is insane as well. Posted by: Tink at October 16, 2004 02:29 AMDFT asked, How many of our brothers and sons will die for the supposed "WOT." When do we stop sending troops? When we're done. Some of us recognize what's required, and moved to take care of business. You didn't. You're not worthy to clean the boots of those who did. Bask in your protected life. North Korea? Sorry, bud, it's about 20 miles from where I'm writing you from, and not the place I'd have chosen to take the first step either. Jeremy, you're not an American. I don't care where you were born, or what your legal citizenship is. You're in the right place. Stay there. Bill, we're peers, although I wear that digital Marine uniform. I wish I were with you. Kick ass, brother. Posted by: Fred J at October 16, 2004 05:23 AMI would like to thank all the Soldiers, Marines, Airmen and Seaman who are defending us around the world! And the troops is Iraq are defending America against - what, exactly? If Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, over a thousand American soldiers would still be alive, along with tens of thousands of Iraqis. What exactly was purchased with their lives? The replacement of the unelected Hussein with the unelected Allawi? American rather than Iraqi torturers in Abu Ghraib? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 16, 2004 05:25 AMLike Jeremy, you won't believe or accept any answer given, so I'll offer none but to shake my head sadly. Posted by: Fred J at October 16, 2004 05:33 AMArab countries are dead end cesspools. Arabs choose to be suicide bombers because they can't stand living as losers like all the others they know. Oh, Jesus. If you have no idea why people do what they do, how can you ever expect to deal with them in the real world? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 16, 2004 05:37 AMWhen do we stop sending troops When we're done. Well, let's see. There's now about 70 attacks a day against US and pro-US Iraqi forces. Back in December, Bremer was claiming a drop from 35 to about 20 attacks a day. So, uh, when exactly will you be done? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 16, 2004 05:51 AMI don't know the answer DFT, but I do know that the day the towers came down and 3000 totally innocent people died was no mirage. How many Iraqis were involved? A people unwilling to fight for and defend their liberty and freedom certainly do not deserve to long retain them. Doesn't this sentiment also apply to Iraqis fighting to defend (or regain) their liberty and freedom against American occupiers? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 16, 2004 05:54 AMIn order for Iraqis to "regain" their freedom, they would have had to have had it in the first place. They didn't...or do you dispute the mass graves, too? You can cherry-pick press reports all you want; talk to the guys on the ground. Oh, wait, they're 74% GWB, so they must be brainwashed, mindless robots who joined up cause they were without opportunity in the great depression of 2000-2004. They can't have anything to add to the discussion, right? Posted by: Fred J at October 16, 2004 06:09 AMLike Jeremy, you won't believe or accept any answer given, so I'll offer none but to shake my head sadly. Try explaining it to this guy instead. In order for Iraqis to "regain" their freedom, they would have had to have had it in the first place. Uh-huh. And when they've kicked out the invaders, I guess they'll have to sort out for themselves what "freedom" means for them, whether that be democracy or theocracy. Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 16, 2004 06:19 AMI am a member of our military forces currently serving in Iraq, and I couldn't help but write back about Jeremy's comments. As a Platoon Sergeant, with all but 28 years of service; who is the on ground in and around Baghdad, and who has made well over 100 convoys in the Baghdad area, I can tell him that he is not seeing the real Iraq watching the MSM. His claim of aimchair war vets is just another slap in the face of the people who really support us. Something I never will fully be able to explain the meaning it has on us here. Somewhere, somebody has convinced half the poulation of our great country that all the liberty's and freedom they enjoy come without a price of human sacrafice. Would I rather be home with my wife, family and friends? Sure that is no brainer, but do I want to do it in the middle of mission we are accomplishing no! Duty and Honor are words people like him do not understand. And the only reason he can get on the net and spout his ideas is because of people like me, and millions before me secured those freedoms for him. As a member of the military I am not allowed to publicly proclaim who I will vote for, but I can tell you this; there is a man in the White House now I would follow through hell with gas underware on. On the other hand his counterpart couldn't lead me anywhere even if he was to shackled and chain me to him. Posted by: Rick at October 16, 2004 06:53 AM Well spoken. Wish I was there with you. Posted by: Fred J at October 16, 2004 08:03 AMPhoenician, Rick, Jeremy is not an American citizen. He doesn't need a response from any of use and I would highly recommend we don't give him any. Thank you so much for your service and sacrifice for us and I understand clearly freedom is not free. But heh, I have grown up. Here is a little reminder of the simple responsibilities of Americans safe in their armchairs at home. From the personal memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant: "Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate 'war, pestilence, and famine' than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun. The history of the defeated rebel will be honorable hereafter, compared with that of the Northern man who aided him by conspiring against his government while protected by it. The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is - oblivion." So many issues and so little time. My statement still stands - if you don't want to fight and or sacrifice for your freedom you don't deserve it and I hope you die in the ensuing battle because I will not grieve for cowards and ne'r do wells who talk a mean streak but, when it comes down to brass tacks they are wimps of the worst order. I have met and talked with several vets and most are wonderful people who see the mission and what it will accomplish for the world - not just the U.S. If freedom can take hold in the middle east and the people see what they have been missing we will have a much easier time getting the terror scum removed from the face of the earth. Free people don't want to put up with scum like Zarkhawi (sp) and will either kill him or arrest him themselves. Use your head people and realize that this will NOT be a quick, painless endeavor. We will have casualties and they might be a son or daughter of yours or a friend. War is not pretty but, the alternative of daily attacks here is far more repulsive to me and I think if you think about it you do too. Posted by: bolivar at October 16, 2004 11:48 AMPTR sez: "Well, let's see. There's now about 70 attacks a day against US and pro-US Iraqi forces. Back in December, Bremer was claiming a drop from 35 to about 20 attacks a day. So, uh, when exactly will you be done?"
"And the troops is Iraq are defending America against - what, exactly?" Something that takes more than 50 minutes with commercials breaks to explain, so it's outside your level of comprehension. "If Bush hadn't gone into Iraq, over a thousand American soldiers would still be alive, along with tens of thousands of Iraqis." And hundreds of thousands would be dead. But that's okay as long as your slimy crew is in power. Well, it'll never happen, scumbag.
Time for your lithium!!
FOR ONE THING.. I AM an American Citizen. I do hold a U.S. Passport. I was born in the U.S. and lived in Miami for 34 years. thank you very much.. assholes! I am also a Canadian Citizen as well. My father was in Viet Nam and came back a deranged lunatic. Why I dont support the war is, it was a big lie and gwb did not do what he said he would do, abd furthermore, if hostilities were called to an end a long time ago, then why are things so bad. Like i said, all you Americans who watch the war from your living rooms and believe the U.S. is always right and that the war is justified I still say, leave the comfort of your living rooms and move to a foreign counrty for 6 months and OBSERVE from above and outside your border, and tell me if you dont seee something different. yadda yadda yadda, call me un-patriotic and not an American, go right ahead. I just know i'll never die in some cowboy war to kill every Axis of Evil participant nor will i kill innocent chidren nor will i fight a war that is unjustified. Yes, my father gives me the same line too about burning my passprt cause i moved north, the best thing i ever did in life was to become a Religion Major and come to realize that America was NOT what i thought it was, after 3 years of residence and education at University. Many of my American professors whom i trust were waiting for me to get to the place when i started questioning my allegiance. It is interesting that gwb, likened this war to the crusades on the Christians against the Midieval Muslims in the fertile crescent area in early biblical history. YOU KNOW GODDAMN WELL the U.S. knew what they were doing. Those animals. The Christian mentality will never accept the East ways of life as acceptible nor will they ever allow Islam/Muslim people to live in a world where religious tolerance is the norm. Maybe y'all should take some classes and learn about the Eastern peoples before you kill them all off for the just war of the Christian War President. Y'all are insane to beleive that gwb has your best interests in mind. HA HA HA I al laughing at the gwb superior intelect. So is the rest of th world community. http://matthewgood.org/web/mblog/index.php
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/ There is some light reading for you.
SO PLEASE you armchair vets and active duty soldiers, before you SAY THAT I AM NOT AN AMERICAN, YOU MUST REALIZE THAT SOME OF US DONT AGREE WITH THE WAR, AND Everyone has an opinion. Not that you'd respect someones opinion, when it goes against everything we are taught, fed, and created to be in the wonderful world of the USA.. Oh please i am about to throw up ! Americans are bred to believe that the U.S. stance and ways and thoughts are the only way to think and feel, BULLSHIT. Leave your bastions of safety and terror, fear ridden lives in magenta, reds, oranges and yellow, and come sleep soundly each day without the unending fear that someone is gonna kill you daily... Oh, they're coming to get us, we dont know where they are, but they are out there. we'll find them eventually, bit for now, we have to fight the Good War!! yeah yeah yeah Jesus, leave the U.S. and see what insanity and bullshit we have been fed to beleive and programmed like serving robots. These teachings that the U.S. aspouses to and preaches as the " Only Way, the Just Way, and the Right way is a CROCK OF SHIT !!" Yes come to the U.S. the land of milk and honey, give us your poor and downtrodden, we will take away their civil liberties, put them in prison for terrorist connections, we breed childern to trust in the facist supreme machine called the U.S. government. We will program them to beleive in Nothing else than what they are fed on a controlled daily basis for the rest of their lives, then if they so choose they can go to war and DIE for the cause. It's all CRAP!
So when you are ready to leave the U.S. and find a better life you can consult the www.cic.gc.ca website and apply for residency. This war will not end before many more thousands of people die, i pray that you dont fall on the casualty lists. may God keep you safe. Posted by: jeremy at October 16, 2004 04:14 PMAh, so it's those awful people who disagree with you who have the "angry" opinions? Uh-huh. Riiiiight. Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 16, 2004 04:34 PMPS: Being in a nation that shares an open border with a nation you think has a fascist government doesn't sound very prudent. Might want to try Europe or Asia. Of course, the truth might be that you wouldn't know a fascist government if it knocked down your door and dragged you to a gulag. That would make it quite safe for you to stay safe in Canada, and perhaps fantasize about how you're the Voice of Freedom or similar. Do chicks dig the Self-Exiled Revolutionary act? Posted by: Patrick Chester at October 16, 2004 04:45 PMHe thinks it must cause what ever he was using in Miami obviously wasn't working...hehe Posted by: Kevin at October 17, 2004 01:24 AM"A 17-member Army Reserve platoon with troops from Jackson and around the Southeast deployed to Iraq is under arrest for refusing a "suicide mission" to deliver fuel, the troops' relatives said Thursday." Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 17, 2004 03:51 AMPTR--are you there? Do you have any concept of the UCMJ or military justice? Think anyone in the media does? Drawing rapid conclusions based on miniscule events is usually foolish. Posted by: Fred J at October 17, 2004 04:23 AMDrawing rapid conclusions based on miniscule events is usually foolish. Indeed - yet I notice no-one seems to have addressed the statistics I mentioned earlier - back in December, Bremer was crowing about only 20 attacks a day. They're now up to over 70 a day. What conclusions would you draw from that? Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 17, 2004 03:05 PMAnother example of how bad things are becoming. When the Army has to send its best training unit as occupation forces and replace them with short-termers, you know they're in trouble. Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 17, 2004 05:13 PMFrankly, I think I have a better perspective on the "number of attacks" than you or the media. It's a largely irrelevant way to evaluate violence. The numbers reported in the media are about as reliable as the polling in the current election cycle; subject, of course, to bias, slant, and bad sampling. You crowed about a report about 17 soldiers out of about 140,000. To quote my friends on the left, "I question the timing of this report". The reality is that there are many, many potential reasons which could result in this kind of situation, almost all of which are intenal to unit and organizational cultures, much as many would like to pretend otherwise. I don't think you're there, nor do I think you have any understanding of those cultures. Your post would suggest widespread disenchantment with our efforts on behalf of those carrying them out, despite the personal accounts above which suggest just the opposite. I suggest that you should not draw conclusions based on one very isolated incident in the face of the testimony of those who are there. From the limited information available, this seems like a failure of leadership. Forget all the "romantic" crap about "suicide missions"; if we were doing suicide missions in Iraq the casualties would be significantly higher. IF the assigned task was "legal", i.e., moral, and there were legitimate concerns about the adequacy of the equipment for the task assigned, the responsiblity for expressing those concerns lies with the leader/commander of the affected unit. If his (or her) concerns aren't satisfied, he or she may have to make a moral decision to take those concerns to the next command level. What you don't have the right to do--ever--is refuse to obey lawful orders, and certainly not incite others to disobey them. That may not sit well with left-anarchists, but the system is based on Officers making evaluations and decisions based on the best information available and the mission assigned. Reserve and Guard units can get a little blurry because their members not only serve together, they live together in the same cities and towns back home. This makes it harder to maintain the proper distance and perspective which may be required to order a man or woman to their death, which may very well be required....even in support and logistics units. Posted by: Fred J at October 17, 2004 09:21 PMFrankly, I think I have a better perspective on the "number of attacks" than you or the media. Given that the figures came from the report by Kroll Security International rather than me or the media, perhaps you might wanna work on your perspective on "functional literacy"... Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 17, 2004 11:24 PMHey, tough guy....shove your "functional literacy" up your ass. I never disputed the figures, I said they were a shitty way to evaluate violence. I've been polite. Done. Posted by: Fred J at October 17, 2004 11:47 PMHey, tough guy....shove your "functional literacy" up your ass. I never disputed the figures, I said they were a shitty way to evaluate violence. I've been polite. Done. Tch, tch, tch. Hey, Fred, if you really think Iraq is doing well, here's a way for you to show it. Why is it, however, that I suspect you won't be putting your money where your mouth is? Wimp. Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans at October 18, 2004 03:25 PMAs a Marine I'm putting a lot more than my money on the line. Fuck. Off. Posted by: FredJ at October 18, 2004 04:09 PMSemper Fi!!! Fred But keep in mind what I learned a long time ago...Never argue with an Idiot...People may not know the difference !! Posted by: Rick at October 19, 2004 06:48 AM |
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