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Posted by Stephen Green · 13 October 2004
Couple things before we get to the debate. Like last time, I'll blog the debate in a single post. Each new entry will be timestamped, Mountain. Also, to reduce server strain, the comments will be closed on the main thread. This post, however, is all yours. Have at it. The good folks at HostMatters tell me they've moved VodkaPundit to a sturdier server. Hopefully, that means we won't have any downtime, like we did during the last three debates. But - let's go easy, OK? I can't add new comments more than every couple of minutes, so please don't hit "Refresh" more often than that. Please. Debate starts in about 30 minutes. Comments
Bush will hit Kerry on his Record and hit him often. But Bush will need to put forth a real PLAN. Kerry has a PLAN for everything but Bush has a real plan. Lower Taxes, Limited Government, National Security and Freedom. Posted by: fritz at October 13, 2004 06:55 PMYoureallymustswitchto gin,EVERYTHING tastes good with gin! Posted by: david at October 13, 2004 06:58 PMAll unzippd and ready to go! Go Bush! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 06:59 PMI prefer Grey Goose myself. It goes best with steak. GAME ON! Here we go again. God, this is getting tough. I've got my Australian Semillon to settle my withered nerves. One more time for John Howard Posted by: Carl at October 13, 2004 07:02 PMI thought this was supposed to be on domestic policy. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:04 PMStandard, boilerplate "Iraq War" rant by Kerry to start off. We've heard this all before, move on, please! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:05 PMInteresting. A debate about domestic policy... and the first question is, frankly, foreign policy/Homeland Security. Posted by: Dave at October 13, 2004 07:05 PMThat was my thought too, Dave. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:06 PMSigh ... here we go with the Tora Bora lie. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:07 PMThe "terrorism as a nuisance" stuff. Bush seems a bit more in control than in debate one. And Kerry is bringing up TORA BORA AGAIN! "Outsource job to Afghan Warlords" - STFU PLEASE!?!?!?!?! Nice reply by Bush, though, if a little shaky pronunciation-wise. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:08 PMIs this a rerun? I think i've seen this show before. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:08 PMA choice Kerry quote on Reagan here: http://www.boycottliberalism.com/biographies/Kerry-quotes.htm Posted by: Occam's Carbuncle at October 13, 2004 07:09 PMDoes Kerry have A Plan for the flu shot shortage? I'm on the edge of my seat! Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:10 PMLOL shell! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:11 PMTort reform - good answer... and one at least somewhat grounded in the facts, too! Posted by: Dave at October 13, 2004 07:11 PM"A plan is NOT a litany of complaints!" Boo-yah, POTUS! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:12 PMWhat shell said. Kerry's first answer sounded like an almost word for word replay from one of the other debates. This looks like it's gonna be a loooong debate. Posted by: Garrett at October 13, 2004 07:13 PMHow is getting health insurance for everyone supposed to fix the flu shot shortage? My mom has health insurance, and she can't get a flu shot. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:14 PMKerry is channeling the spirit of Superman Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:15 PMKerry's doing pretty well so far, though his laughing out loud at Bush (while he is talking, mind you) isn't gonna win him a lot of fans. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:17 PMPrez seems very well prepared tonight. Sounds calmer. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:17 PMWe've got a lefty on the mound fer sure. Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:19 PMBush is losing the style battle. Posted by: Robert Bidinotto at October 13, 2004 07:19 PMI agree, the Pres. is doing well. Posted by: Jim H. at October 13, 2004 07:19 PMIs Bush foaming at the mouth? What is that white stuff in the right-corner of his mouth (left on your screen)? Posted by: Petit Dejeuner at October 13, 2004 07:20 PMSilly me, I thought education was necessary for good jobs. Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 07:20 PMThe candidate for namedropper in chief just invoked Tony Soprano Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:20 PMAnyone keeping a track of all the Kerry lies so far? Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:20 PMThe candidate for namedropper in chief just invoked Tony Soprano Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:21 PMKerry peevishly points out that Bush talked about education instead of jobs. Then he talks about fiscal issues instead of jobs. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:21 PMThe candidate for namedropper in chief just invoked Tony Soprano Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:21 PMKerry should be familar with the mob since I've heard a rumor that those with mob connections gave $ to his campaign. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:22 PMTo my everlasting shame and regret, I have no spirits in the house. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:23 PMShell, here's a cyberbrewski comin' your way. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:24 PMI give Kerry a slight edge so far, though they may have to do with the questions. Ooh, gay marriage coming up. BRB. "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?" Ookay. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:26 PMAre they wearing the same clothes? Even their ties look the same. Maybe this is one of the unknown parts of the pre-debate agreement... Senator Kerry, Incoming!!!! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:27 PMKerry is so pathetic, bringing up Cheney's daughter. Shameless!! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:28 PMDoes anyone else get the serious creeps when Kerry talks about faith? Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:28 PMWe are all God's children? Is it just me, or does that line sound stupid coming from Kerry? Kerry's doing better than Bush so far, but the debate's far from over. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:28 PMKerry's starting to flub on these social issues. Good. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:29 PMI get the feeling that Kerry brings up Cheney's daughter so often in order to deter homophobes from voting Republican. Maybe it's my imagination. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:31 PMKerry and faith?!?! Kerry quoting the bible? Smooth move on his part. Posted by: Jim H. at October 13, 2004 07:31 PMKerry brings up Cheneys' daughter again? Wasn't she sufficiently outed in the VP debate? This transparent tactic should backfire. Any thoughts, Andrew?? Posted by: garry at October 13, 2004 07:31 PMKerry quoting the Bible? That's kind of . . . odd. I'm for gay marriage and am pro-choice, but Kerry just sounds ridiculous trying to be religious-esque. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:31 PMBingo! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:31 PMYep. I have to agree Sister. Bush looks good! Kerry looks and talks like one of our european politicians! So robotic, pc shit speech...Jesus, we get toons of that here!! I can't believe americans are looking at this guy and thinking "I will vote for him". If you hate Bush THAT much, than you have problems. I understand why my fellow spaniards like Zapatero, but Kerry?? I know it's late but, was this the best the DNC had to offer the world???!!? Well, my andaluzian liquour is finishing. Not even that takes the pain of enduring Kerry...Bah! Posted by: sofia at October 13, 2004 07:33 PMI don't get what anyone sees in Kerry either, Sofia ... LOL. But to each his/her own ;) Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:34 PMAs a Catholic, "I respect John Kerry's position..." however, he can 'respect the law of the land', without voting for laws that support/expand abortion. There is a difference between upholding the law and helping to expand it. That is the lie that Kerry is perpetrating with his trying to have it both ways. He's pro-choice, not in agreement with his 'altar boy' Catholocism. Posted by: Kathianne at October 13, 2004 07:34 PMDo you think any swing voters are actually WATCHING this? Could this be even vaguely interesting to non-political-junkies? Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:36 PM"Conservatives hate seniors!" Just say it, JFnK. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:36 PMSwing voters are watching Red Sox v Yanks Posted by: Carl at October 13, 2004 07:37 PMThe drunkblogger says at 7:32. "Talking about religion, Kerry sounds all-too Catholic. All the deep-think of an Aquinas, but none of the deep heart. Or at least that's how this atheist-who-grew-up-around-Catholics reads it." To me he sounds like a lapsed Catholic who is trying to talk the talk now that it's politically expedient. Posted by: denise at October 13, 2004 07:37 PMIfear Kerry is the better debater, but he gives metheheeby jeebies! More gin! Okay, I'll make it. His actual points are very weak, but I just wish Bush was better at this! Posted by: david at October 13, 2004 07:37 PMI agree with SG on this one: these are pretty damn boring topics. Bush is holding his ground against Kerry, that should be good enough to hold on to the lead. It's too damn bad I'm not a baseball fan. "Misleading America" line again? Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:38 PMI took one of those unscientific AOL polls that asked "who do you think will win the debate?" and "will the debate change your vote?" Kerry one the first about 54-46, but on will it change your vote, 90% said no. Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 07:38 PMLiar liar Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:38 PM56 bills?!? Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:38 PMYou're missing it, folks. These two are probably running close on the radio. But shut off the volume. Look. What do you see? Bush looks nervous. Not in command. Kerry looks serene, calm, in control. And that laugh of Bush's, that little nervous "heh heh heh" is killing him. He's totally blowing the debate on the cosmetics...and believe me, that counts for a LOT in a debate. Posted by: Robert Bidinotto at October 13, 2004 07:39 PMSo Boring - I am analyzing what the diffrent colour schemes the broadcasters are using. So far Fox News has the best sound, and MSNBC/CNN seem to have the most flesh-like tones. On the other ones Bush looks really red-faced, and Kerry looks like a corpse. Posted by: Sean at October 13, 2004 07:39 PMI so disagree w/ Kerry channeling Aquinas. Someone who's soaked in Catholic teaching through grade & high school, if not college (like, um, me), LOGIC is the first thing you absorb. There's too much cognitive dissonance to Kerry's (multiple) positions. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 07:39 PMI watch the debates with the sound off.....listen to music-drink porto. Kerry looks like an "automaton"....Bush should quit beatin' around the proverbial bush and call it like it is---"who do ya think the terrorist want to win? Vote for the other guy" Posted by: gawdamman at October 13, 2004 07:40 PMRobert -- Friday night I heard 1/2 of the debate on the radio, saw 1/2 on TV. Bush was losing on the radio, and won on TV. Town hall format may be the reason. Posted by: denise at October 13, 2004 07:40 PMI'm confused - is Kerry's plan optional or mandatory? Senator, my eyes just glazed over Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:41 PMOk, that's two debates that he's said Medicare "belongs to you" no, it doesn't. It's a Government handout, to people who don't work paid by taxes that do, and that's what's wrong with liberals, goverment welfare programs "belong to the people" and can never be cut, but people who earn their own money shouldn't be allowed to keep it. Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 07:41 PMLOL at the media credibility joke! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:42 PMAt least one of them understands economics Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:42 PMWord, sister! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:42 PMSenator, look me right in the eye again, pleeeeeze! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:43 PMThis Caffeine-free Diet Dr. Pepper isn't doing anything to make this debate more interesting! "I'm not proposing a government-run program." He's kidding, right? sheesh... Posted by: diet dr. pepper at October 13, 2004 07:44 PMThey ought to just let Noam Chomsky and Rush Limbaugh submit questions to both candidates. I've never heard so many meaningless, gooey questions. A good question can be asked in less than 15 seconds. Framing things up the way he does, Schieffer just plays to the stereotypes the press has played up about both candidates. Posted by: drew at October 13, 2004 07:45 PMThe President drops fewer but higher quality names! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:45 PMI keep waiting someday for a candidate to come out and say that Social Security is a PONZI scheme. In those exact words. Posted by: John Lanius at October 13, 2004 07:46 PMAgreed Drew. I can't wait til this damn debate is over and we can get to the last three weeks of the elections. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:46 PMWow good question Bob on changes in SS. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:47 PMI just saw that..."I just want to knock this asshole's lights out" look on Dubya Posted by: gawdamman at October 13, 2004 07:47 PMwow...who would have known that domestic issues were so boring, i guess foreign policy is what polarizes this country the most (i guess that's better than abortion) Posted by: Kenny at October 13, 2004 07:48 PMGaw, he's channeling me. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:48 PMMr. President please wipe that froth out of the corner of your mouth. Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 07:48 PMKerry is sweating (forehead) ... gasp! ;) Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:49 PMKerry says we can't privatize a portion of the budget because we use current revenue to pay benefits, so he admits it's not a savings program, that it doesn't "belong" to people, that it's a giant wealth transfer program. Again, why do government programs given to people who don't work "belong" to them, but the money a person makes from hard work over $200k doesn't? Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 07:49 PMI hope they get to the fisticuffs soon. Presidential WWF Smackdown! Taxes. Social Security. Medicare. No new information here. We've all heard this already. Next! Posted by: diet dr. pepper at October 13, 2004 07:49 PMLet's come up with some good questions here: 1. Kerry, you don't really expect to reinflate the bubble do you? 2. Bush, what the hell were you thinking spending that much money? Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:49 PMAs far as I recall, the Clinton Cop's plan was not the silver bullet people claim it is. It was to add 100,000 cops to city streets over a six year period. The problem was that the funding (and this is a best guess as to what I remember it looking like) was the feds paying 100% in year 1, 90% in year 2, and 75 in year three, 50 in year 4, 25 in year 5 and 10 in year 6 and then it became 100 percent the responsibility of state and local government. Go Sox! Posted by: Dundare at October 13, 2004 07:50 PMAhhh! The immigration question finally gets asked. Bravo. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:51 PMThe only reason I'm still watching this train wreck of a debate is to say, "I watched all the debates." I'm not really sure why I want to be able to say that. Maybe someone will feel sorry for me and buy me a drink or ten. Posted by: david at October 13, 2004 07:51 PMIs there ANY reason why this debate is occurring at all? This is just pitiful. Seriously, do you think the average American honestly gives a damn? There are two great baseball playoff games that are no doubt getting infinitely better ratings than the debate. Immigration? That could hurt Bush. We'll see. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:51 PMDun, are the Sox winning? Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:52 PMOk this debate is really boring. But the moderator is getting on my nerves! I don't know him but don't you have anyone better there!!!??? Stephen, You are not the only one who thinks this debate is boring. You are a good man for continuing to live blog. I stopped and switched to MythBusters... dummies falling from incredible heights is more entertaining. Or I could watch Kerry fall from incredible heights... that would be cool, too. Posted by: Pink Kitty at October 13, 2004 07:52 PMBob Schieffer looks like a corpse. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 07:52 PMOne more thing on medicare and Social Security, there will be a shortfall in the trillions even if it's no privatized. The difference is, if the government collects the money they can use it for other things, but can't if it's privatized. Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 07:52 PMplease pass it, marianne! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:53 PM6:51 Is it my drunken state, or has Bush just caught fire?? Suddenly he seems in command, even with the boring questions. Kerry can continue to be Mr. Plastic man, but I sense a turn in the President's presentation. He's whAT i LOVED ABOUT 9/14, stepping up to the plate!! Posted by: david at October 13, 2004 07:53 PMHouston's beating St. Louis, 4-2, if anyone cares . . . Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:53 PMI told my cousin that 20 years from now this will go down as the first "reality show" presidential race. We the shock element of Simon embodied in the Swift Vets and all those left wing freaks. We have the Survivor tribal challeneges in the debates..."Today'd tribal challenge will be based on domestic issues..." And finally, you have the diehard junkie fans who over analyze everything (pundits), and then on the day of judgement, something crazy happens. My bet on that is this: Kerry will lose because he lost the traditional Democratic edge with women. Bush and Kerry are neck and neck with women - usually Dems are 10% or more ahead. The reason for this is because sensible, likely voters of the fairer sex cannot stand the trash that comes out of his wife's mouth. She's like the matron at the Country Club bearing down on all of the young doctors' wives at the first blood drive. Posted by: drew at October 13, 2004 07:54 PMYankees 1 BoSox NUTHIN What's your PLAN Kerry? Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:55 PMlol... moderator said "8000 a day coming across the border", but Kerry apparantly memorized "4000 a day" Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 07:56 PMI saw Kerry writing something....maybe, "Terayza-dahlink, if I lose-do I really have to give back the membership to The Nantucket Yacht Club"? Thanks tree. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:56 PMBTW, I'm not the same "david" as the other "david" so I'll change to my new handle. Posted by: david in mn at October 13, 2004 07:56 PMPrez needs to nail Kerry on the minimum wage question Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:57 PMOMG - yes, this is boring. Sir, I feel your pain. Posted by: Mike at October 13, 2004 07:57 PMA friend just called me on the phone to enthuse over how great the debate is and how thoughtful Bob Schieffer's questions are. He thinks Bush is cleaning up. Posted by: Brian at October 13, 2004 07:57 PM"The fact is..we have people from the middle east coming across the border.............pause....alledgedly" WTF? Alledgedly=Fact? Posted by: tink at October 13, 2004 07:57 PMIt's "let's pander to women" time .... Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:58 PMBush looks like he's coming to life, and Kerry's just doing his "hey! I can speak!" thing. These tax cut arguments by libs have never made any sense to me, least of all from Senator Kerry. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 07:58 PMOh god, could Kerry pander any more with the 'increase min wage' question.... I don't think it's physically possible. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 07:58 PMSenator, is there not a commandment in your faith against coveting? Coveting appears to be a central element of your pitch. Can you justify your position on class envy? Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 07:59 PMExactly, Kelly. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 07:59 PMRaising the minimum wage raises the cost of living, leaving them back where they started. Even with Tereza paying the bills, Kerry's smart enough to understand first term economics. Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 07:59 PMYou know what this debate needs? Alcohol. You know what else? Death threats to terrorists. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:00 PM"It's illegal in the United States to hire people illegally." - Kerry I heard it!! LOL! ...thanks marianne! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:00 PMIt's "pander to the black community" time ... Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:01 PMDoes Bush really think that talking about spending even more money will win my vote? Jeebus. Yeah, I'm voting for him anyway because of Iraq. But I hate his propensity for spending money. Oooh, looky, Kerry is now saying he won't put forward a judge who would undo the constitution. As if it weren't already completely in tatters. Posted by: david in mn at October 13, 2004 08:02 PM"Kerry's smart enough to understand first term economics" That's irrelevant Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:02 PMThe issue isn't money, failing schools get more money so they keep failing, what we need is accountablility, but Kerry loses the Teachers unions if he admits that Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:03 PMI hope Kerry is relegated to becoming the voice-over guy for the "Lost another loan to Di-tech!" commercials. Posted by: drew at October 13, 2004 08:03 PMAs of this moment, Bush looks like he's having fun. Kerry looks like he's trying his damndest to win. It's clear who has the most pressure on them to win. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:03 PMFor those of you with girls under 10, you'll get this. My sister (over 30) and my daughter (8) have been saying Kerry looks like a tall Polly Pocket with the snap-on hairdo. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 08:03 PMSame ol same ol class warfare ... Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:03 PMWhat a biased question about the National Guard! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:04 PMBackdoor drafts again? Ooh-boy. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:04 PMwhat about the invironment? Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 08:04 PMI wanted to add the picture of Kerry in the Bunny suit from NASA to my site, but I can't find it anywhere (Damn you Google!) Thanks again Marianne (anyone else like me to pass the toke?) Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:04 PMActually Senator, it is you who are overextended. Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:05 PMI can't believe I missed the Sopranos for this. Kerry's going to build a "real alliance?" I didn't think the North Vietnamese were doing much these days. Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 08:06 PMI don't know enough about the military to know how hard it is to add two divisions. Is this logistically possible without hurting the quality of troops? Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:06 PMOk....If I could ask just a single question of these two fine specimens- it just might be...."Why do you both look like you suffer from the piles...especially you, Mr Kerry?" With special effects being as advanced as ever today, I think I have developed a sure fire way to make debates centered on domestic policies more interesting, and fun to get drunk to. Simply speaking we should have a well designed donkey robot debating an equally well designed elephant robot. The moderator asks his question and the robots have already been programmed to systematically spout their respective dogmas (that is what's happens anyways as if I actually had to point that out) and after each time limit is up each robot breaths fire, does back flips, and occasionally strikes the other robot with a hidden boxing glove situated in its stomach. Posted by: Furious George at October 13, 2004 08:07 PMGrrrrrr.. I need a drink. Funny how 73% of us don't support Kerry. Could it be because he totally misleads to public when he talks about the military and military families? Naw, that's only a minute part of it. Posted by: Tink at October 13, 2004 08:07 PMYou do not have any credibility on this issue, JFnK. None. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:07 PMThat "Backdoor draft" question was so grossly loaded in Kerry's favor. Totally ignores the draft bill was brought up by Democrats. He keeps saying he'll never turn over our decision to foreigners, but keeps saying they need a global test. They're the same thing, Senator Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:08 PMNobody has brought up the disarming of Sadr's forces, or the tensions between foreign jihadi and Iraqi insurgents in Falluja? Bush is doing a good rebuttal. Troops guarding the homeland? Uh, posse commitatus, anyone? Global test? Nicely done, Mr. President. Now, this is getting almost interesting. And what is Kerry's obsession with "guts", BTW? Is it because he's feeling ill in his? They FINALLY brought up Kerry's voting against Gulf War One! Hoo-ah! Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:08 PMYES! He got in the 1991 Iraq war vote! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:08 PMDid Mr. Kerry just say he didn't want a global test???? Posted by: Mike at October 13, 2004 08:08 PMouch! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:08 PMSecond Ammendment argument is being well fought by Bush. Let's see how Kerry responds. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:09 PMI have always tought Bush and Chaney are "Pinky and the Brain" Looooove the MST3K idea. That's basically what happened in my house on Fri. night. It was a HOOT. snap on hair... LOL Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMI can't wait til Fact Check comes out with a check on this debate Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMI know tons about the Army. It will take at least 2 years to stand up a new division. And, I have no idea what a support division is. Posted by: Mike at October 13, 2004 08:10 PM"I respect the second amendment, and I will not tamper with the second amendment." Suuuuure you won't, senator. Yeah, I believe you. Time to start pouring the rum & cokes, I think. Posted by: david in mn at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMStephen.....bong hits for the "great unwashed"--I love it! Posted by: gawdamman at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMHe's a hunter who shoots 12 Gauge prone! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMKerry is an incredibly glib liar. If people are buying his dishonesty and believing it, then there is nothing that anyone could do to counter it, given the bias of the major news media. If Kerry is elected, and things inevitably turn out much less rosy than voters were led to believe, there will be disaffection toward the government like we've never seen. Especially if Kerry's policies probably lead to a weakening of the military and major new losses to terrorists. Posted by: Monfrere at October 13, 2004 08:10 PMAuugghh! I can't stand Kerry's little smirk! He's just creepy and cadaverous. Posted by: diet dr. pepper at October 13, 2004 08:12 PMAgreed Monfrere. IF (big if) Kerry gets elected, there is virtually no way he could be re-elected. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:12 PMShell, They're already working on adding 30,000 troops over the next couple of years. It the sf that I worry about, they are already recruiting strong, hell, there was paper work on every damn table in the food court at the Ft Hood PX. But sf and others are the cream of the crop, I "think" the number is approx 10% of those who are accepted into school actually make the grade. Kerry wants to double it? Tell me how he's going to do that without decreasing the standards. Sorry..I'm just an Army wife, and the numbers are off the top of my head, so I may be wrong..so don't take this as gospel, just what I remember. Posted by: Tink at October 13, 2004 08:12 PMPosse comatatus (sp) doesn't apply to non-federalized guard. Posted by: Mike at October 13, 2004 08:12 PM"Black pandering" in the air again ... Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:12 PMSo, have any of those law enforcement officers asked Kerry about that Chinese assault rifle that stands in as a substitute for his "favorite gun," the M-16 he used in Vietnam? Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 08:13 PMBush and Cheney = Pinky and the Brain Thanks shell! "Posse comatatus (sp) doesn't apply to non-federalized guard." Okay, I guess I misinterpereted what Kerry said. Thank you, Mike. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:14 PMWe need a short film on that Shell - I figure if I manage to raise another conservative punkette (like I was in the late 80's), I'm doing good. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 08:16 PMOh god... Kerry's going to talk about faith in a minute *cringe* Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:17 PMlet's quote the bible again... Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 08:17 PMKerry and religion -- bleh. Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:18 PMWould that be Tuh ray zah? Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:18 PMOkay, as much as I dislike religion, I don't mind it so much coming from Bush.... but Kerry's gonna make me vomit. Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 08:18 PMDid Kerry just say he has a plan to pray better than this president who has failed miserably as a prayer Posted by: skinny beeny at October 13, 2004 08:18 PMTina..he just did...and blew it..lol Posted by: Tink at October 13, 2004 08:18 PMWhat a BS question about polarization! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:19 PMIf the press is right about Bush's reliance on his faith puts off non fundamentalist voters, why is Kerry trying to cut into by quoting the Bible so much? Kerry doesn't sound at all credible when he does it, more Pharisee than true believer Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:19 PM"But I would've given a better speech at Ground Zero." Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 08:20 PMLove the Lord your God with your mind, body?, and soul??? My bible says heart, soul, and might... Posted by: John Lanius at October 13, 2004 08:20 PMbottom of da 6th Ah yes -- the old "I've worked with McCain" card Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:20 PMHey....it's not like I don't know who I'm gonna vote for........I just want to see George smack Kerry in the fuckin' chops-just once...for the fun of it! didn't one of Kerry's hundreds of advisers tell him McCain endorsed Bush? Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:22 PMWhy does Bush chuckle everytime he says "Ted Kennedy?" Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 08:22 PMI wonder how much of the country's polarization could have been avoided if Gore had not challenged the 2000 election? Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:23 PMAwww - i like this question :) Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:23 PMKiller last bit on the 2 daughters from GW. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 08:24 PMNever was so glad to hear "last question" This was a clear win for Bush, and Kerry had to lie like a cheap Persian Rug to make it close. Of course the press won't call them on the lies and will spin this a draw. Just like last time. Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:25 PMWhat a cheesy puffball question. But at least it's over. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:25 PMDid Bob just gush over Kerry? Nice self-deprecating quipp by President Bush. This is a cutsey-poo question, but I think it's really fun to watch - though it is irrelevant to the debate itself. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:25 PMOk..Kerry actually made me laugh with that one. I think that's the first human moment I've seen from him Posted by: Tink at October 13, 2004 08:25 PMOMG, Kerry really didn't make that joke about marrying up, did he? How friggin cheesy from a guy whose daughters apparently call Teresa "step-money", according to Page 6. Posted by: kelly at October 13, 2004 08:26 PMThe two lovliest words in the world. "closing statements." Yay!!! Posted by: david in mn at October 13, 2004 08:27 PMYeah, the puffball question actually got honest answers instead of talking points. I withdraw my complaints. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:27 PMNo Halliburton, but Vietnam has been brought up . . . Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:27 PMwhat about the invironment? Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 08:27 PMAnd then Kerry turns around and makes me wanna spew.. "I protected thid country as a young man..blah blah blah.. Posted by: Tink at October 13, 2004 08:28 PMWill you get rid of that awful picture I see everytime I refresh. my son had homework...invironment I'm done. Final judgment by me: it was a draw. That's enough for Bush to win the election. Posted by: Chris S. at October 13, 2004 08:29 PMIt's over- WHOOO! Posted by: Sister Toldjah at October 13, 2004 08:30 PMI can't believe Kerry brought up his dead mother. Pathetic. I also can't believe he can't even get through a domestic policy debate without bringing up Vietnam. Foreign policy is so important now that it even enters the domestic debates, with Bush's edge there that's a good sign. Now will the truth of the debate or the liberal spin with the day? Posted by: MarkD at October 13, 2004 08:30 PMlast comment.........Dubya looks sincere-Kerry looked like a prick. Draw but I vote Kerry Posted by: Tina at October 13, 2004 08:31 PMBush took this one. Posted by: Kristie at October 13, 2004 08:31 PMGood job GWB! Posted by: John at October 13, 2004 08:32 PMI mean come on people....robots that breathe fire....I would drink a martini to that. Posted by: Furious George at October 13, 2004 08:33 PMThe dem on PBS thinks it was Bush's best showing of the three debates. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:34 PMAlright, I've had a couple beers, but did Kerry just say that, on her death bed, his mother was compelled to address him on integrity? Posted by: aaron at October 13, 2004 08:35 PMThe war on terror remains my one issue in this election. I doubt John Kerry's commitment--I doubt his comprehension of the problem. He won't get my vote, regardless of how glibly he is able to regurgitate propaganda. Posted by: Monfrere at October 13, 2004 08:35 PMBush was really bad in the beginning. Kerry was far worse at the end. Posted by: aaron at October 13, 2004 08:37 PMTo Bush's credit, I guess it's easy to trick stupid poor people into thinking there's a link between increased education spending and prosperity. Posted by: Funk Broker at October 13, 2004 08:39 PMSome missed opportunities for Bush: On the question on partisanship, he should have pointed out the judges that the Democrats refuse to allow votes on in the Senate. On the subject of strain on the national guard, when Kerry mentioned real alliances, I wish Bush would have apologized to Blair, Howard, etc. for the comment. And in the second comment, I wish he would have commented on the "truth" of France, Germany, and Russia being in the pockets of the Iraqi government. Posted by: Greg at October 13, 2004 08:39 PMTo sum up, I thought early on that Kerry dominated the debate. The only question left to consider was which candidate's policies are actually better. However, Kerry totally blew durning the second half. The only thing worse than Bush was Kerry. Posted by: aaron at October 13, 2004 08:45 PMHellifiknow. They both want too much of my money. Bush gets points for wanting to reform social security. Kerry gets points for legalizing gay unions. Of course those points only count in the universe next door where we aren't at war. Posted by: shell at October 13, 2004 08:56 PMBush really seemed like he felt backed into a corner on the gay marriage thing. He really doesn't want anything to do with the issue, does he? Posted by: aaron at October 13, 2004 09:00 PM"I hate this guy. I just freakin' hate him." LOL Posted by: Mark V. at October 13, 2004 09:06 PM"Integrity...integrity...and integrity These three words..." That would be one word, Kerry. Posted by: Kai at October 13, 2004 09:08 PMBack to the unscientific AOL Polls: Who won the debate: Kerry 60, Bush 40 Did the debate change your mind: I don't agree that Kerry won this one (or the second one he keeps saying he did) but it's interesting so few who say he won the debate will support him because of it. My own comments on the debate are now posted! Posted by: Greg at October 13, 2004 09:23 PMBush really didn't present well, especially early on. Posted by: aaron at October 13, 2004 09:24 PMAh, yes. The unscientific polls. There is little that is less useful than those unscientific polls. It's just the answer to the question: "Are more Republicans or Democrats online right now?" Posted by: Greg at October 13, 2004 09:26 PMDemocratic goons have been hacking and skewing the online polls for all the debates. After Debate 2, the Philly Enquirer had Kerry winning it, 99% to 1%. Those polls are useless. Posted by: HackedOnlinePolls at October 13, 2004 09:44 PMDid Bush really just come out in favor of gays living together? In favor of it? No. Respectful of their right to do it? Yes. Posted by: rosignol at October 13, 2004 10:21 PMWinner! This will become part of my vocabulary: SONORATION - an oration the main content of which is the speaker's sonorous voice. Word coined by Vodkapundit, 14/Oct/2004, provoked by John Forbes Kerry. Example: "Kerry's endless sonorations make me want to shoot the TV." Do you ever get the feeling Kerry isn't healthy enough for the job? He really didn't look well, despite all the days he takes off from campaigning...and of course he's never in DC so he really has no job. Posted by: John Salmon at October 14, 2004 12:04 AM |
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