Nice first question. Sheesh.

Shiner Bock and a debate.

Meant to go together.

I see Edwards is already lying re: the 9/11-Saddam connection.

Weird as it is, this is the first time I have seen Edwards speak live. He reminds me of a cute kid that is trying to lecture his teacher.

Already.

I'm not impressed. Edwards is out of his league.

Denigrating the Special Forces in Tora Bora too, I see.

Trying to trackback but it's not working. Oh, well. I guess I'll go to bed...

I'm so glad this man won't be the Senator from my state anymore.

I just hope he's not promoted to VP.

Pattern: Bush (poorly) and Cheney (decently) try to answer the question asked... Kerry & Edwards spend at most one sentence on the question, then turn to attacking their opposite number on whatever convenient fact or fiction they can think of. Anything they say about their plans is vague, if it gets said at all.

"I'm sorry, but what attention was diverted from Afghanistan. Those who think so, need to study logistics, and why it's almost impossible to increase our presence in Afghanistan."

Most people don't know about how these things work and the Bush administration hasn't explained it well enough. It does leave them open for the Kerry camp to attack on that point.

wtf is with cheney's blinking?

I keep expecting Cheney to slam Edwards for saying we shouldn't have let the Afgans fight at Tora Bora. Maybe he's waiting for Edwards to mention alliances... but, man, I'd like to see a body slam here.

Me too, Nate.

Where the hell did Edwards drag in a Iraq-9/11 connection from? If you're going to lie, at least make up a lie that fits the question at hand.

So far it looks like Edwards is following Kerry's strategy of packing so many falsehoods into a single response that it's impossible to offer an effective rebuttal in the limited time given: The sky is purple and the moon is made of green cheese because Bush is still lying about beating his wife.

Ah, and now he's "clarifying" what Kerry said in the first debate by making stuff up and stating the exact opposite of what Kerry actually said. Which again had nothing to do with the question.

What's the moderator for, exactly?

Edwards is losing the battle of defending Kerry. He is on his heals so far.

Edwards is plain ignoring facts and working on spin alone.

I'm liking it - Cheney is unruffled by the smooth operator from NC.

Nice comeback on that question by Cheney. Edwards is definately on his heels.

"You probably weren't there to vote for that..."

I am sooo glad I had already swallowed my beer when he said that.

Agreed, Nick :)

BTW, I don't like this moderator. She,like Edwards, doesn't have her facts straight regarding certain quotes.

"You probably weren't there to vote for that..." and on that note, MSNBC opens the split screeen.

I don't know what debate John Edwards watched last thursday, but I saw a totally different one.

DAMN! I love Dick Cheney. Love that he brought up Dean.

Na na na na, hey hey hye, goodbye. Bunnies. (ht JG).

Cheney: "If they can't stand up to Howard Dean, how can we expect them to stand up to Al Qaeda?"

Hard to slam Bremer when you picked the man!

Wow. Cheney is pounding away. Meat vs. Parsley.

I agree Sister. She must not read blogs.

I'm not watching the debate, reading the posts is so much more fun. Sounds like Cheney is doing very well.

Edwards is off his game ... being from NC, we recognize when he's on and off :)

Cheney still hasn't addressed Bremer's comment.

60 countries with Al Qaeda...how many are we going to invade? I'd like to know that.

Edwards is looking pretty weak. He's stuck on his talking points while Cheney beats him over the head with them.

Edwards made a big mistake going on the offensive against Cheney, he's not even in the same league.

Oh dear lord, now he's going after Halliburton...this is getting sad.

Nick: "Cheney still hasn't addressed Bremer's comment."

He's too busy correcting the Senator's obvious misrepesentations about the Bush admins record.

Cheney just got his heeledlocked by Edwards.

Ah yes ... the old Halliburton card ... (stretch - yawn)

Well, so far it looks like Cheney is beating Edwards like a drum. Time for another delicious martini in honour of our host.

How many countries are we going to invade? Dunno. Smash half a dozen flat and the other 54 will fall into line.

French and Germans say no change in policy ...

Good on you, Gwen! I bet that's the first time millions of people have heard that news.

Where's your policy now, Kerry?

Yea, the Bremer comment could have been deadly, if it hadn't been mis-stated. Bremer was talking about Turkey failing to allow 4ID to invade Iraq from the north. Not the current situation.

Mike

LOL! "Senator Gone" - I love it.

I could kiss Cheney right now. Right on the mouth!

Republicans hate school kids, MLK! Etc!

Here comes the mud slinging!!

Damn!
"The first time Senator, I've ever met you was when you stepped on stage tonight."
Just Damn!

Jesus - did anyone just see that 'aw shucks, the big bad man didn't talk about Israel but ah sure did.' Edwards looked like a twelve year old.

Is Cheney trying to pass the buck on his turn?

Still seema like the prof in a discussion with someone who crammed for an hour before class.

Cheney has been powerful.

Best. Line. Since. Lloyd.

What do the teachers out there think of "No Child Left Behind"?

Sheesh. There's my alma mater, looking all good on TV, and Ifill manages to work in that Cleveland is the "biggest, poorest city" in the U.S. Can't the city ever catch a break?

Of course, Nick, the moderator misstated Bremer's position... he clarified it in an email to the WaPo that he was talking about when we first started, and that he thought we currently did have enough troops.

The Bush Admin is listening to the trooop commanders on troop numbers, not the civil servants. So...

Also, I found an old story from July that says Bremer thought we should have had more MPs at the start. Understandable, but no longer the issue it was now that the Iraqi police are getting training going.

This is turning into Professor Cheney
vs. Used Car Salesman Edwards.

Say it with me:

CHENEY . . . IS . . . KICKING . . . ASS!!

I hope he runs for President in 2008. That'll be the first election I'd be eligible to vote in, and I'd want my vote to be for someone with his integrity. I've got to go in about ten minutes, but Edwards isn't looking so good. :P

Damn indeed!

When Edwards went over Cheney's record, voting against meals on wheels, and "plastic guns that can pass through metal detectors" etc, I'm like, is this the worst thing you can say about his record- he must be great, those three or four programs were pretty stupid.

Stephen, you're on a roll till 8:50. I thought the same thing, "2 down, many to go".

31% unemployment in Cleveland? Where the hell did she pull that out of? Try about 6.3%

Plop a cold, steel, robotic heart in that guy and I think he may already have my vote in '08.

The class warfare card ... (stretch yawn, part two)

If I hear Edwards say "he's distorting again" one more time I'm going to throw something through the tv.

Does Edwards have any clue what he is talking about?

OK, I agree with cutting spending, but what is going to be cut while Kerry is cutting taxes?

Did Edwards get deficit v. debt wrong? I was stirring sauce.

my wife is a teacher - she hates NCLB - in her view it is an unfunded mandate. Apparently the best thing for kids is low class sizes. Teaching isn't like selling faucets. The cheapest education isn't the best. Market forces shouldn't direct education.

Edwards: "Let me be honest with you...." When someone (pol or not) says that, they are invariably lying.

Dick Cheney whipped Edwards' arse so hard during the foreign policy/security policy segment that "Senator Gone" will need a very soft pillow when he sits down for the rest of the week. It was getting pitiful, all Edwards could do was bleat about Halliburton while Cheney ripped the Kerry/Edwards record - or, in Edwards' case, the lack of one - to bits and pieces. Cheney is a mean old junkyard dog, and I mean that as a compliment.

Man, I wish Cheney was debating Kerry, him against Edwards is like James Carville vs. a Grapefruit.

Lots of talk about tax cuts and just a few minutes before talk of the $200 billion tab in Iraq. What am I missing?

Edwards is moving his hands around way too much. He can't be a trial lawyer while he's sitting at a table. Did you also notice when he pounded his finger on the table? That's not going to make him look any less like a little kid...

Desi: especially when it comes from the mouth of Sen. Edwards.

Dan, I wish Zell Miller would have debated Kerry Thursday night.

Is it just me or these questions are incredibly better than the ones on the presidential debate?

Man, Edwards is one condescending little prick. I thought he was going to pat Cheney on the head re: embracing his daughter. Edwards doesn't sound comfortable discussing gays & lesbians, does he? Sounds forced.

"Let me go back and answer the other question first then I'll leave a couple seconds for this one" There should be a rule against that.

"Okay, I want people to understand that I'm totally freaking condescending."

And Edwards just utterly handcuffed himself by putting the democrats on the same side of the same sex marriage debate.

What is that on Edwards' lapel? Cheney has a flag on his lapel but Edwards has somthing round. Is it a no nukes (peace) sign?

Not just you Henrique. Much better questions in general.

Better questions, but the moderator is not a good one.

NCLB is not a mandate. Schools can opt out and not get the money. It is not really unfunded.

Your wife might be misinformed. All the NCLB does is say by 2014 all children must be learning at grade level. Each state has different standards, all they have to do is prove that their schools are meeting the standards they set. If they want help, they can use NCLB money to meet the goals, but must meet federal standards, IIRC.

Your wife should also poke around the Brookings Institute and its' review of NCLB. Brookings leans left.

I love it. It's about time. You can tell your wife from me that we have 1/3 of the world, 2 billion people nipping at our economic heels. They are studying math and science, we study diversity in college sports.

Cheney's thank to the kind words of Edwards....Cheney even wins that.

Edwardian spaghetti rhetoric

Also, isn't the whole "states' laws are binding in other states" thing in the constitution?

Cheney's kicking Edward's ass. God I wish Bush could speak like this....

OOH! OOH!! Maybe he's going to channel the little girl again!

Cheney clearly didn't want to get too far into the gay marriage debate. He obviously disagrees with the pres. No bigs - they can't agree on everything.

Before all of this, I thought edwards was a player. Now I think he's a schmuck.

Cheney is doing superbly better than Edward. I love his jabs on Edward's record. He put Edward on the defensive -a good strategy

Nice Med Mal plan, Sen. Edwards. You're how many years into your Senate term? Did you think it up in the shower just this morning?

Frivolous law suits....nice. Tort reform is the #1 domestic concern of mine. Lawyers are ripping apart the community: how can you reach out when you're afraid that reach might trigger the other person to sue?

Trial lawyers and lawsuits have little to do with health care costs?

But then the costs are related?

Is he channeling Kerry again?

ohhh a "feelings" question.... I spoke too soon.

"how do you feel" pifff how can you answer that without a platitude?.... well the foreign policy questions were great.

WTF? How can he say that medical costs aren't related to malpractice suits????

Matt, just thank God he's not your Senator.

Cheney is showing his experience which makes Edward look like a toddler

Lurch and the Lightweight will be licking their wounds tonight.

I'd love to see Cheney debate Kerry...or even Hillary...man, would this guy actually run?? I really thought he was going to step down to make way for McCain (aka: Hillary-beater)...mebbe not...

I really love Dick Cheney, he's such a classy guy. He's like a conventional politician, but with a very ready wit that he has used to great advantage tonight. Senator Edwards comes across sometimes as likeable, other times as an arrogant, self-promoting JFK wannabe. Cheney seems to me consistantly likeable. So, IMO, the choice is clear.

Cheney just whipped up again. Oops-there's Halliburton again!

haha..siesmec...

is anyone keeping tabs on how many times Halliburton is mentioned by Edwards?

Wait a minute . . . HALLIBURTON AGAIN!?!?!?! WTF kinda shit is that?

Can we PLEASE go five minutes without Senator Edwards bringing up HALLIBURTON!?!?!?!?

NCLB is great...in ten years, once all the lefty whining has died down, we won't even remember what the fuss was all about.

Don't they realize how inside the beltway Haliburton is?

Anyone have a link for that statement about Edwards' setting up an S corp to avoid paying taxes? That's awesome if true - and Edwards had nothing to say, instead going back to "Halliburton is evil, and you were there, so you're evil too!"

Teresa Heinz Kerry is the country's biigest tax dodger.

hey Toldjah - Edwards is bad but I've got....HIllary.....and Bill Clinton lives in the town in which I grew up...you think you got problems??

Am I the only one hoping that Cheney coaches Bush before Friday's debate? That is one smart and terrific communicator. One can hope Bush is taking notes.

This debate is really heavy on data (numbers, ratios, laws, votes, etc) I wonder how the fact-checking on that is going, and how much attention it will get.

I'm thinking that Edwards answer to the AIDS question (didn't see that one coming btw) is going to be Halliburton is evil and Cheney is distorting the truth

Touche Matt! :)

hallburton questions? FactCheck.com

It looks like Cheney's winning - but does that matter? Kerry clearly won the first one but the bounce he got from it is negligible. We'll see...

Good Point Henrique

no answer here.

I'm with you, Carla

Chaeney seems to honestly answer the AIDS question presented, but Edwards goes off on talking points. That was weak for Edwards. Big time.

What time served on the Senate Intelligence Committee? He's never there!

Greetings,

Cheney (sp), is doing a great job of articulating the current position. You know he is an adult as he speak.

How many times is he going to call Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney a liar tonight? If he hits 143 I win a 'brand new car!!!'

Gwen's soooooo much better than Jim Lehrer was last week.

You gotta wonder . . . did Terry McAulfie (sic) tell Senator Edwards to just go out and say "Halliburton" every thirty seconds?

If Kerry is elected and he gets killed (God forbid), do we REALLY want this guy Edwards as President? You gotta ask yourself . . .

"During the time I've served" WHAT! Yeah that's a good idea-put your time served up against Cheney's.

PS: To add to my last post, he's never here in this state either! (Unless he's campaigning of course)

i am afraid edwards is wrong, you don't get AIDS from not seeing a doctor.

Edwards = Quayle!

"You want me to answer a question about _his_ qualifications?" Fantastic! And he gets in a deadpan about delivering Wyoming's three electoral votes! Fabulous...

"You want me to talk about Edwards' qualifications?" Have at, Dick!

WTF is with that damn COFFEE MUG!?!?!?!

Thank you John for honoring Cheney's exemplary service to the nation.

matt... factcheck.com ain't workin

nor is my use of the english language.

I have concluded based on what i see tonight in this debate, Edward isnt politically experienced to take up the role as the Vice president of America.

Edwards wrap up - naptime.

I guess that answers some folks' question about Cheney for 2008..."I have no further political aspirations myself."

This has been riveting. At this point, Edwards has been asked why he, having the least experience ever of any VP candidate should be one heartbeat away (not commenting on that, but just to indicate when I'm typing this). The man looks (on my crappy old B&W teevee) like he's sweating buckets. Edwards has clearly been more flustered by this, and there was one point, earlier, when Edwards thought he got in a good dig, that Cheney simply smirked at the idiocy of what Edwards had tried. Cheney has been a Gibralter through this.

IMHO, Cheney is wiping the floor with Edwards. With extreme prejudice.

I think Cheney won this and won it going away.

Edwards has some style, but there is so little of substance in what he says that it makes it painful to listen to him when it comes to foreign policy its hard to watch.

Clear win for Cheney. Edwards did somewhat better than expected. Its too bad he is out of the Senate. If he was still in and they lose this election, he could spend four more years working on his fp credentials.

but he's still got great hair, bystander ...

Kerry went with McCain to Vietnam to find out about our MIAs, huh?

Paging Mr. Schanberg!

Okay, can't take it.

22 years active duty. I cannot believe he brought up Mr. Kerry's vietnam service. WE REMEMBER HIS COMMENTS UPON RETURN TO THE STATES. (sorry for the yelling, if am kind of serious about this - seeing a counselor . . .;))

Mike

Perish the thought, P&G - we don't want him back here!

Forget "Good Hair" or what! Edward is a toddler.

"The truth"
- Edward litigatorhands

According to who?

Bunnies and puppies...and their DU owners?

Edwards has a why are you picking on me you big bad Halliburton baby-eater look in his eyes that translates even through C-span's fuzzy online feed.

Only half joking here, but on my crappy B&W, Edwards suit is starting to look like a rain slicker. As I thought and posted on the night of the presidential debate, the VP debate would erase the badness of that debate. It's a new race again.

http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2004/09/on-to-vice-presidential-debate.html

Only half joking here, but on my crappy B&W, Edwards suit is starting to look like a rain slicker. As I thought and posted on the night of the presidential debate, the VP debate would erase the badness of that debate. It's a new race again.

http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2004/09/on-to-vice-presidential-debate.html

"The best defense is a good offense" Thanks Edwards! You just proved what Bush and co. have been saying.

The S corp thing has been around for awhile now. Rush pushed it today during his program.

The way it works is that an S Corp passes through earnings as if it were a partnership. So, instead of paying oneself all in salary, you take your money out as a distribution (similar to dividends, but not taxed first). You don't pay social security or medicare on the distribution.

The problem for Edwards is that medicare money is so large. He was apparently taking about $300k a year in salary, and the rest as a distribution. This was over the ceiling for social security, so no savings there. But he did avoid paying the medicare tax on all that money - which is what Cheney (and Rush) was talking about.

This is well know. I was doing it (at a much lower level, of course) almost 20 years ago as a consultant, before I ever became an attorney.

Only half joking here, but on my crappy B&W, Edwards suit is starting to look like a rain slicker. As I thought and posted on the night of the presidential debate, the VP debate would erase the badness of that debate. It's a new race again.

http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2004/09/on-to-vice-presidential-debate.html

Anyone else noticing that Edwards keeps putting his thumb on his fist and shaking it like Clinton did?

Also, very good questions from the moderator. Lehrer should be ashamed.

Can't say I'm impressed with Edwards; like Kerry, he is basically dissembling throughout, throwing out bogus facts, bogus numbers, dodging the questions and changing the subject.

Definitely a hands-down win for Cheney, who has been looking rock solid throughout.

Thank God this is over - because if wonder boy mentions we have a plan one more freaking time I am going to throw a beer bottle at the tv

This moderator is terrible. Apparently she's getting all nervous being around John's hair ...

Expect general panic tomorrow...

Hey, Gwen already knows how the election's going to turn out - apparently just as close as 2000, in spite of some of the EC projections that show Bush getting over 320, which would put him in Clinton '96 range, IIRC.

FINALLY, someone turning the tables on the flip-flopping BS. Edwards just nailed Cheney for four years of his boss's REAL flipflopping, instead of trying to inflate a few statements, take them out of context and manufacture a flipflop issue.

No - we'll see a bunch of spineroni's by the media, no doubt Kerrying the water.

In short, these guys -Ed and Kerry, got no plan on how to tackle the world's problem. They are just dancing to the political tunes. To every wave thus showing the inconsistency. Hence these guys aint ripe to take up the reins of power. THEY ARE STILL AMATUERS!!!!

Kerry and Edwards have been the leaders in opposing bi-partisan efforts in congress.

Kudos to Edwards to keep on trucking, when the man is going to need a SERIOUS shower after this. Cheney will be able to wear the same undershirt tomorrow. That's not just efficient, it's good thinking ahead.

Amazing job from VP, good job he stayed on the right path and keep his answers in line and right on target. John Edwards, has gone on and on about so many things wrong with USA but not talking what they are going to do.

My eyes glaze over when Cheney speaks.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. If you tune out and don't listen to the words, he kind of appears like a wise old man, in this slow, sleep-inducing drone.

But then Edwards jumps in and nails him on the bullshit. He calls him on every piece of crap, and exposes him for the liar he is.

I think it's working heavily to Edwards' favor.

I wonder what Edwards keeps writing down. Is he drawing pictures? He has been writing furiously through most of this.

Oh boy ...here comes the good ol boy closer speech by smoothie.

Well done again, Steve. I raise my 5th (or 6th, whatever) glass to you, thanks again for a great bash.

This is a political bitch slapping by Cheney on Edwards.

Hey Senator is that your mommy calling?

Edwards: "When I was young and growing up ..."

You mean right now, Senator?

Jamie, he's scribbling has made me not like the split screen. It's too distracting

Edwards is even condescending about his own father. Sickening.

Edward is terrible, worse than Bush

Mega winks to Steve for the live blogging.

Dave is smoking something that includes water as a filter . . .

This story is sickening

Dave are you watching the same debate as the rest of us?????

Edwards is now speaking to "the pony tail" guy. "We'll take care of you"

The worst closing remark in all presidential debate.

Sister Toldjah, I have to agree about the moderator. I'm not sure exactly what her role is supposed to be tonight, but if it's anything beyond simply asking the questions she's definitely not doing it. (And she's made a couple mistakes with asking the questions, too.)

She's certainly not keeping John "Halliburton!" Edwards on topic.

By the way. . . .started with a vodka Tonics. Ran out, switched to a good bourbon . . . Knob's Creek if you must ask. Only made the debate much better.

Thanks for hosting my rambling.

Mike

Albright: I noticed Kerry doing that the other day, too. It just looks odd.

I keep thinking of what Jack Palance said to Billy Crystal in "City Slickers". "I crap bigger than you."

Cheney won this debate hands down

Edwards' wrap up:

Seriously, it sounded like a lawyer commercial. "I will get you more money"

"The bright light is flickering."

Sure as hell isn't a shining city on a hill. Defeatist creep.

Fuck you Edwards.

(sorry for the language VP)

This has been excellent. Thanks all!

ALL HAIL CHEYNSAW!!

Brutal performance.

Calm, cool, collected, while he puts the shiv in time and time again.

And I'm sure that PMSNBC & CNN are calling it a virtuoso performance by Ponyboy.

Edwards > Quayle.

On Iran, I'm wondering if it could even be dealt with practicaly without having dealt with Iraq first?

It was a surgical slaughter of Kerry, but I was surprised that Cheney even sliced up Edwards with such little effort.

I don't fault Edwards, he may be an ambulance chaser but I'm sure he believed in his cases. Here he was sent out to defend indefensible Kerry positions with untruths.

He couldn't hide it.

My two cents..

re Sandy P,

"NCLB is not a mandate. Schools can opt out and not get the money. It is not really unfunded."

Yeah its not a mandate like breathing isn't a mandate to stay alive. You don't pass the test, you don't get federal money. You don't get the money, you fire 1/3 of your teachers and get fired.

The strategy to make John Kerry the center of debate will do wonders for Bush. In all we did hear much of much but rather John kerry was constantly hammered by Cheney. Cheney came out top tonight

Those liberal commentators are calling it a draw. This is a clear sign that Edward did poorly tonight

re Sandy P,

"NCLB is not a mandate. Schools can opt out and not get the money. It is not really unfunded."

Yeah its not a mandate like breathing isn't a mandate to stay alive. You don't pass the test, you don't get federal money. You don't get the money, you fire 1/3 of your teachers and get fired.

The rest of the world does better on educational standard because they choose to educate only the elite. The US is one of the few countires which tries to educate every student. There is no Abitur in the US - that the real reson for lagging US academic prowess.

For real student achievement, federally mandate class size to less than 20 students and remove the students with emothional behavior disorders form mainstream classrooms. Waving the big stick and threatening "failing" schools is not the way to generate student achievement.

How about Cheney/Bush?

Cheney tore up the Kerry/Edwards ticket and burned the scraps. Edwards was exposed as a total lightweight, who has barely bothered to show up during his short Senate career. Cheney's line about being President of the Senate and meeting Edwards for the first time at the debate was devestating.

Look for the media spin to downplay the importance of this debate as mere sideshow to try and cover up Edward's shortcomings...

CNn has already started to down play this debate. What a shame!!! bunch of low lives!!!!

Though he was praised by the media as one of the best trial lwayers with convincing wits. I didnt see the lawyer in him tonight. I think he was horribly naive

Wonkette was on NBC doing after comments. She says Cheney definitely took the debate. (if you had stayed sober, Stephen, they might have called you)

I would be willing, but do we really need to debate the Iran vrs Iraq thing on a comment of a blog?

Mike

whooo.. it's about time somebody started criticizing Kerry's senate and post Vietnam record, the dems and their allies get really flustered when they have to talk aobut it..

The Halburton rebuttal is at
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=261

leaky pants Leahy on hardbull:

agreeing with mathews that 9-11 had nothing to do with Iraq.. al queda was operating in every country in the world but Iraq according to them.. thank god he was kicked off the intel commitee...

it also seems like alot of dems seem to know exactly where bin laden is afganistan, they talk about tora bora like it's as big as the mall on washington, the same people who coulnd't find hillary's billing records in the white house...

Look from all accounts here in China -they covered this debate live, They clearly gave it to Cheney. Edward wasnt upto the expectation and prediction made by the media. The wits and convincing arguments of a trial lawyer. i didnt see the lawyer in him tonight. I saw a guy who was trying hard to defend his records

"I preside over the Senate every Tuesday when the Senate is in session. The first time I ever met you is when you walked on the stage tonight."

this is the best line so far in this race.

How about Cheney/Bush?

The idea isn't new, but the problem is that I don't think Cheney *wants* to be President.

Personally, I'd be delighted to see Cheney/Rice or Cheney/Guiliani in '08. All we have to do is convince Cheney...

we dont need good hairs in politics, we need good heads. Cheney has shown he is a good head!!

Hurray for our side!

It's http://wwww.factcheck.org run by the University of Pennsylvania, for Halliburton questions. Cheney wins and Edwards can't quite explain how he became known as "Senator Gone".

It's http://wwww.factcheck.org run by the University of Pennsylvania, for Halliburton questions. Cheney wins and Edwards can't quite explain how he became known as "Senator Gone".

Three candid words for the Dems: "Forget this Election"

after Bush hammers Kerry on his record and waffles on major issues... then we can put it in the 'lock box'

after Bush hammers Kerry on his record and waffles on major issues... then we can put it in the 'lock box'

But Mr. Moore, it's not up to the fed gov to fund the schools, it's up to the state. If they want fed money, they do it the feds' way. Fed rules too onerous, the state will meet the goals another way. Raise taxes, cut spending. How about reviewing all unfunded mandates from say the 60s on, lobby Congress and state legis' to get rid of those then use that money to meet the goals? Yes, NCLB back office stuff needs tweaking, but it' working.

Then we have nonsense like this via Dailypundit:

An increasingly popular grading theory insists red ink is stressful and demoralizes students, while purple, the preferred color, has a more calming effect.

"I never use red to grade papers because it stands out like, 'Oh, here's what you did wrong.' " said Melanie Irvine, a third-grade teacher at Pacific Rim Elementary in Carlsbad. "Purple is a more approachable color."

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Now we have grading theories????

--For real student achievement, federally mandate class size to less than 20 students and remove the students with emothional behavior disorders form mainstream classrooms. Waving the big stick and threatening "failing" schools is not the way to generate student achievement.--

You mean going back to the old ways??? I'd take it even further and group like intelligence together.

Can't have student achievement w/o teacher achievement. That's what you get when you lower teaching standards like they did in the 60s. Look, I'm all for teachers negotiating for what they're worth, they're professionals. But no tenure. No performance you're gone. Same as in the real world.

BTW, sometimes I had 30-37 in my class, I actually can add 2+2 and balance my checkbook w/a calculator and don't need the computer when I choose to do so. And if I had to use a piece of paper and a pencil, I could do that, too.

Get over it Dave. Your little boy lost.

factcheck.com has been hijacked. I went there, and it sent me to GeorgeSoros.com, and I AM NOT KIDDING!! So, this is how the dems. handle Cheney getting out the truth about Halliburton.

Whew, Whew and triple WHEW! I just did FACTCHECK.ORG, instead of .com, and it's working just fine. Make sure you get the right ending on the addy. :-), or you risk making a fool out of yourself like I did...Lol.

A little discussed fact on Halliburton is that that their main competitor in the energy business is the French company Schlumberger. Jamie Gorelick, a member of the 9/11 commission and chief democrat Bush critic just happens to be on Schlumberger's board of directors! She owns some of their stock. A former clinton CIA director, John Deutch, is also on the board of directors. You won't hear this on CBS folks.

Check it out...
http://investorcenter.slb.com/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=slb&script=2260

I'm changing my vote away from Bush, Cheney was great ... I need a new bumper sticker ...

"Cheney 2004"

Mateo: "Kudos to Edwards to keep on trucking, when the man is going to need a SERIOUS shower after this. Cheney will be able to wear the same undershirt tomorrow. That's not just efficient, it's good thinking ahead."

What more can I say. Well I can't say anything because I can't stop LOL at this comment.

Kiki, not your fault. I think Cheney said .com.

It seems only the most far-left moonbats are calling the debate for Kerry, so here's my report card.

Style - Cheney B+ (loved the low-key manner, this guy rocks) Edwards B- (had a few likeable moments)

Substance - Cheney A Edwards C (The only good points by the latter were the AIDS thing and the Israel-Palestine discussion)

Likeability - Cheney B+ Edwards B

Class - Cheney A Edwards B- (would've been a B+ if not for THAT DAMN COFFEE MUG!)

So, Cheney won, and no amount of spinning is gonna erase that. Ooh-rah!