Well, so even if for a minute one wanted to take a leap in logic and dismiss the memos, what about these questions?

Did a friend of the Bush family use his influence with the then-Texas House Speaker to get George W. Bush into the National Guard?

Did Lt. Bush refuse an order to take a required physical?

Was he suspended for "failing to perform up to standards"?

And did he complete his commitment to the Guard?

what about these questions?

No. One. Cares.

Did he refuse an order? The sole source for which is a fake memo!

I see a career for Caleb at CBS.

"In other news, that French..." LMAO!

I see a career for Caleb at CBS.

I seems there are some positions about to open up there.

Caleb,
These questions have been answered repeatedly since at least the turn of the century.

I'll briefly update you:

1. There was NO waiting list for Bush to jump. There were slots open for college graduates who passed the aptitude tests and would commit to two years of full time active duty training and a 6 year total Guard commitment. The waiting list was for enlisted positions. Bush volunteered for the pilot-candidate officer's training program, and was accepted. I have seen NO reporting that ANYONE who met these requirements was turned down by TANG. And several former officers in the program have corroborated this.

2. There WAS no order to take the flight physical. That was the fraudulent memo, remember? Bush never took his physical in 1973 because there were no flight opportunities for him. To take the physical anyway would have been a waste of time, and would have gone against normal practice, as NO pilot would take a flight physical if it were not demanded by his current or ongoing flight status.

3. He was routinely exempted from flight eligibility after his birthday passed with no physical. Again, this is normal protocol for newly non-flying personnel. He was not going to be allowed to fly due to the wind-down of the war, and the failure to accept the low-time Bush for ongoing F-102 flight activities. Why would the TANG let Bush fly the limited amount of flight hours on the aircraft, when they had a surfeit of higher-time pilots available? Think about it, it makes sense.

Lastly, I have seen printouts of Bush's "points" accrued during his TANG duty. He easily exceeded his requirements, and even "drilled" extra in July, 1973 to allow for his early departure, which was asked for, and accepted. Along with many hundreds of other "early outs" disbursed at the end of the Vietnam War.

Looks like Dan is following Pierre Salinger, also brought up short by phony documents.

Is CBS a political organization or a news organization? See my analysis here.

FWIW, I think it would be helpful if someone were to tell us what a "flight physical" involves.

I think most folks figure it's a combination check up (open your mouth and say "Ah," tap your knee, kind of thing) and a drug test (aka, piss in this cup).

IIRC, it's quite a bit more extensive than that. So, missing a flight physical is not simply not showing up at the doc's at oh-dark-thirty.

Contrary to your assertions, J. Pickens, there are military orders showing Bush was suspended from flight duty for failure to take his flight physical. See:
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Why would such orders be published if there was no order to take the physical ? Further, the "fraudulent memo" to which you refer is more accurately an alledgedly fraudulent memo. Wingnuts and freepers insist they're forged, but have yet to offer anything resembling definitive proof.

In addition, then-current regulations were such that substitute training had to be approved in advance, or performed within 15 days of the missed training, which was NOT the case with Bush's alleged substitute training. US News & World Report, among several other sources, says Bush's points don't add up http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040920/usnews/20guard.htm

Finally, can you offer ANY documentation (other than White House or RNC spokesmen) for your assertion that Bush was "routinely exempted from flight eligibility" ? I'd love to see it.