and karl rove softly cackles by the fire

and people call Bush an idiot......

Wait!

I coulda SWORN that there's a buncha Dems out there who are saying that ol' Dean isn't liberal AT ALL, and certainly, CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY not radical.

So, regulating the large media companies would work HOW exactly? And utilities, if a STATE wanted to deregulate them, would be prevented by President Dean how, exactly?

And any company that offered stock options?? You mean like General Motors? Or General Electric? Or Microsoft?

Nah, that's not radical.

Socialist, maybe. But not radical....

A winning combination: higher taxes, more regulation, less defense. Reelect President Bush: contribute to Deanforamerica.com.

Don't be too concerned about a victory for Dean on the first ballot. Heaven and earth will moved to keep that from happening.

Four or five states are already talking of canceling some primaries as being too expensive. Some posters may be too young to remember that the whole primary system was invented so that Kennedy could by-pass the smoke-filled room method of choosing a candidate and appeal directly to the Democrat voter.

Now the DNC/Clinton cabal is trying to reverse that and go back to the figurative smoke-filled room. An unknown number of young geniuses from the Ivies are thinking up road blocks for Dean. The rules will be scrutinized and changed. There will be some strategy for denying Dean the nomination. If I were Dean, the closer I got to a primary win, the more I'd watch my back.

I'm more worried about Soros bankrolling McCain into running as an independent perhaps with Dean on the ticket. That would be a sure ticket back to the White House for President Rodman. She'll dump bubba as soon as the election is over.

This is my nightmare.

WOW! I didn't know that being a mainstream Democrat now means a full-tilt embrace of socialism. Gee, that'al increase our wealth and liberty.

Name a socialist or communist for that matter country where wealth and liberty were increased.

Socialism and communism must have access to outside sources of funds in order to survive even at a subsistence level.

Don't bother mentioning the Scandinavian countries as an example because they're just holding on by their finger tips and their wealth certainly wasn't increased.

Yea, damnitalltohell, if anybody is going to destroy the Democrat Party, it should be the Clintons. Who the hell does this Dean guy think he is?

Oh, that's not what you meant?

Sorry.

erp

My tongue is in my cheek.

at least the clintons are "reasonably" competent

bill's not a maoist

howard has issues with his father, is a rebellious youth against his upbringing, and has massive guilt over his (previous) station in life (read his article "how the poor live now"). he'd be actively destroying the country and the world, while the clintons are just bad at doing anything and can be brought to heel by public opinion (see hillarycare)

please send your $2k cheques to deanforamerica.com !

then send you 100k cheques to the soon to be created unofficial GOP group that'll beat soros to a pulp

erp - Gary's tongue-in-cheek should have been pretty apparent.

As far as the Scandinavian countries go, Finland is rather socialist but was also ranked as having the most competitive economy in the world. Having lived there, I can say it is hard to get rich, but it's pretty hard to be poor. Not that I endorse redistribution of wealth in such a manner, having seen the drinking clubs it created in city parks, comprised of older men who saw no need to work.

Ye flipping gods Dean is a nut. That'd be the worst thing for America I can imagine, as mentioned at least the Clintons are swayed by focus groups.

From what little research I've been able to do, the Dems came up with the primary system in the 1920s, on behalf of a different Catholic candidate (Smith - he didn't win).

Other than that, yeah, erp, I agree that the Smoke Filled Room (c) is the Dems' best hope right now.

THe smoke-filled room never went away. Remember, kids, in the Democrats' nominating system, a full third of the delegates are "superdelegates:" elected officials and party hacks who get their seat by status, not by popular vote.

I don't know, not sure, if I buy that. I would think the Clintons don't like him because they think he can win? He's a tough sob and unafraid to hit back, I think Bush/Rove once thought he would be a wanted opponent but I doubt they think that anymore.

I walk the line between the Clinton's want Bush to win so Hillary can run in 5 years and the Clinton's will do anything to get Bush out of there now?

Smoke filled rooms in Boston?

Step away from the crack pipe, please. Look, I want to see General Ripper lose as much as any other Republican. A messianic, anger-focused leader like Dean comes accross to me as someone who is two packets of Kool-Aid short of a good Jonestown. And then there are the members of the Cargo Cult. It's like watching the inverse of a Tom McClintock rally.

But that doesn't alter one fact. Dean's base supporters are the most jazzed and motivated members of the Democratic Party. Suppose the Clinton's, observing the potential wreckage of a Dean candidacy, were to step in and force a Second Ballot and a Hillary ascendancy?

Then suppose Hillary came in and snatched the nomination from Dean at the cusp of Dean's greatest triumph. What do you think the reaction of the Sturmabteilungen would be? Open freaking revolt, that's what. AND the Deanies would stay home on election day. Methinks they hate George Bush, but they would never forgive a betrayal of their Paladin by the shifty, monied, backstabbing Clintons-who to them represent compromise with the Dark Side (...that would be Republicans, like me...).

Nope. Hillary is counting on Dean getting the nomination and tanking.

You're all forgetting that a Democrat hasn't honestly won an election without a 3rd party candidate since Johnson and he rode in on the Kennedy sympathy vote.

Kennedy won with a little help from his friends in the Daley machine. So if there's no third party, I don't think any Democrat can win unless something totally horrific happens that can be blamed on Bush.

A poster above said the Deanie Weanies would go berserk if Hillary pulls a fast one on Dean. Yes, and that's where having a gazillion dollars is helpful. Dean and McCain or McCain and Dean. Take votes from both sides.

All bets off. Wouldn't even try to predict what voters would do.

BTW - The primaries and Kennedy. Yes there were primaries already in a few states, but they were largely ignored. It was the JFK masterminds who invented the system currently in effect.

He's right! The only way we're going to have a fair capitalist system is to encourage less capitalism. Everything must be regulated, with the exception of the labor unions, of course. Then, when corporations finally focus solely on the happiness of their workers rather than on making a profit, we will have at last achieved a fair system of capitalism built on a level playing field, with collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

Dean is cruising now, with plenty of cash, the support of labor unions and much of the mainstream media.

But can he last the long haul? Almost a year to go, and the intensity has just barely been turned up. Dean is an angry man, just barely in control of his emotions.

If he had Bill Clinton on his side to advise him, he might make it. Clinton was able to fake humility well enough to fool a lot of voters. Can Dean do the same?

Dukaki-dean

They need to show the wannabe marxists the door. Period. This ain't Sweden, very few people want it to be Sweden, and it CAN'T be.

Erp: why would McCain ever side with someone like Dean? He may have moderated himself over the years, but Dean/McCain would make about as much sense as Bush replacing Cheney w/ Arianna Huffington.