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Win-Win
Posted by Stephen Green · 12 November 2003
Slate's Timothy Noah thinks conservatives have won the culture wars: Conservatives chortle over their seizure of the youth culture. A longer version of Anderson's Sun piece (published before the Reagan flap) appears in the autumn issue of City Journal, under the headline, "We're Not Losing the Culture Wars Anymore." In it, Anderson, sounding a bit like lefty media critic Eric Alterman, plays up the success of Fox News, which he freely admits is "conservative." (Now that the right is winning the culture wars, there's no longer any need to pretend that Fox lacks an ideology.) But he also dwells at great length on South Park, which he portrays as refreshingly conservative. The evidence includes one episode titled "Cripple Fight," and another in which a choir is heard to sing, "There's a place called the rain forest that truly sucks ass." Chatterbox has no difficulty agreeing with Anderson (and Andrew Sullivan, whom Anderson quotes at length) that these sentiments reflect conservative influence, particularly in their tone. But he doesn't find that particularly flattering to conservatism. In a similar vein, Danny Goldberg, former manager to Led Zeppelin and Nirvana, recently published a book titled Culture Wars: How the Left Lost Teen Spirit. Among its targets is Tipper Gore, whom Goldberg calls "snobbish" and "arrogant" simply because she thought record companies ought to label music with adult content. It's a little more complicated than that, kids. Strange, isn't it, that Noah should mention Andrew Sullivan, without mentioning that Sullivan is a gay conservative? Or that thanks in part to efforts by Sullivan, gay marriage is gaining support in mainstream America? I'd hardly call the Supreme Court's knockdown of the Texas sodomy law, or Vermont's civil unions, or polls showing a sometimes majority in favor of gay marriage, or even the popularity of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy evidence that conservatives have won the culture wars. Noah also fails to mention America's increasing tolerance for medical marijuana, and the fact that each year, more American politicians openly question the goals and methods of the War on Drugs. Our music and television are increasingly risqué (if not oftentimes downright crude), and even conservatives must admit with a regretful sigh that porn has gone mainstream. If this is what a conservative victory looks like in the culture wars, I almost shudder to think what Noah feels a liberal victory would look like. It's getting to be winter here, people -- I gotta be able to wear pants outdoors. Personally, I'm all in favor of decriminalizing pot, staring at Britney Spears's bare midriff (so long as I don't have to listen to her music), and I think Will & Grace is the last sitcom still worth watching. But I also cheer when South Park gives it to Barbra Streisand, and I have no problem with Fox News Channel or Sean Hannity being on the New York Times bestseller list. Sounds to me like what we have today is less of a conservative victory, than a libertarian one. Laissez faire isn't just good for business -- it's even better for pleasure.
Comments
South Park is a conservative show? Yeah, and The Man Show is feminist. Noah is simply showing the thin skin of liberalism when it comes to cultural criticism. If it makes fun of environmentalists, it *has* to be part of the vast right wing conspiracy, right? No Timmy, South Park makes fun of popular culture...just like The Simpsons but cruder. I would say that the "shift" comes from conservative viewpoints actually being heard now after decades of supression from Hollywood and network TV. There are too many gates for the liberal gatekeepers to guard, and content is spilling out in uncontrollable volumes. That's the real reason they're upset. Posted by: Mike M at November 12, 2003 06:28 AMYouth culture is still about freedom of expression and irreverence, and thumbing apendages at dogma. You know, the things "liberals" were for 30 years ago. Slowly, surely, libertarian values keep sneaking in the back door with the porn and the pot. (In case you were wondering, I think that's a good thing.) Posted by: mark at November 12, 2003 06:38 AMI would suggest that the real point is that the traditional party lines of what constitutes a "liberal" or a "conservative" have changed radically, at least on the social-cultural side of things (as opposed to the economic and foreign policy sides). I personally consider myself 'conservative', and am not only revolted by the anti-semitic, anti-American Angry Left, but I find it ludicrous that they consider themselves 'liberals'. I also think that legalization of marijuana is not only inevitable but desirable, that people's sexual preferences are nobody's business but their own (even when it comes to civil unions), and believe that abortions should be left a matter of choice for women (at least in the first trimester) - and if someone thinks that means I'm not a conservative, then he probably thinks that Chomsky is a 'liberal' as well... It's all just a question of self-definition. Posted by: Benjamin at November 12, 2003 09:40 AMHmm....and what part of the conservative bureacracy currently spending $20-60bn (depends on how you count it) on the War On Drugs is looking to roll over and play dead?. 700,000 marijuana arrests a year is for them the key to the entire WOD as it makes it look like a there's a "drug crisis". If that goes away the few sensible conservatives (like VP here) will join the rest of us in wondering why we're spending all that money, and realize that we don't have to. The drug war establishment may ahve its heart in the Bill Bennet moralistic right but has tentacles deep into the police/big government part of the Democratic party too (e.g. Biden, Feinstein, Edwards). And that's why it's fighting so hard to up the war on pot. Posted by: Matthew Holt at November 12, 2003 01:17 PMI seem to recall that Trey Parker and Matt Stone are Republicans.... Posted by: Macker at November 13, 2003 10:14 PM |
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