Yep, I AM smiling. Couldn't have happened to more deserving guys.

Prediction: Like the late unlamented Adolf H., Saddam will be found underground and will commit suicide (perhaps 'suicide by cop') rather than surrender.

For the reasons, read a fascinating book: "The Mind of Adolf Hitler". The book is a report made by a famous psychiatrist DURING WWII. In which - for psychological reasons - he accurately predicted the scenario of Adolf's death. Including the Fuehrerbunker aspect...

Why don't you just add "Displaying bloated bodies of deposed dictators is cool for Americans now, because everybody else does it" to your list of manly qualities below. Yeah. We've come a long way, baby. I'm feeling nostalgic. Anybody got any old photos of Strange Fruit?

It's always so sad when people take pleasure in the killing of a mass-murdering monster, isn't it O'McSomething?

By the way, am I the only one utterly disgusted with someone treating America's military in 2003 to a lynch mob?

By the way, am I the only one utterly disgusted with someone treating America's military in 2003 to a lynch mob?

WTF? Did you read the article? Or are you more interested in showing how "utterly disgusted" you are by misinterpreting my comment. I certainly pray that no one "treat[s] America's military to a lynch mob". (Although it appears the Iraqis seem to be treating themselves to their own form of vigilante fratricide.)

My comment was directed to Krauthammer's first few paragraphs, which seem to be saying we should just get over feeling icky about displaying dead bloody bodies.

These shows of public fury are more than just catharsis. They are a form of preventive politics. You want to show that the king is not only dead but humiliated, desecrated, so as to strip him posthumously of the awe and aura he possessed in life.

Which is why the display of the dead Hussein brothers was necessary.

So if we can't beat 'em, join 'em? Sorry, not buying. It has nothing at all to do with how happy I am to see the Hussein bros out of the picture. Isn't part of the deal showing them a better way? This is the way we want to practice "preventive politics?" Jesus, help us. Sorry if the thought of Americans "smiling" over bloated corpses harkened some really bad old days.

Krauthammer is right, as far as he goes. Public execution would have been preferrable, but he's also right that the media circus in the West would have cancelled any good effect in Iraq.

In any event, Saddam must be killed, and must be shown to be dead. Anything less will draw out the time of his horrors in Iraq, and elsewhere. Saddam's last, most vile legacy would be to kill himself in such a way as never to be found. His ghost would haunt Iraq for generations.

Individuals like O'whatever and that reporter do not intend to perpetuate Saddam's horrors, but that is the effect of their preferences. They are but horrified children, and their preferences and squeamishness must not be allowed to cause more horrors to real children....or anyone else.

Kill Saddam, publicly and ASAP.

Fuck you, Cliff, for insinuating that my "squeamishness" or the "effect of [my] preferences" has anything to do with horrors caused to children or anyone else. Who the hell do you think you are. Prevaricating evil fool! Fuck, fuck, fuck you!!

It was not an insinuation...it was straight out and clear as I could make it. I'm sure it is not intentional, but the consequences of your preferences are to extend the horrors, in my view.

To put it more clearly, as many have said before, 'if you value human life, you cannot logically value its destroyers'. Think about it.

Delighted to have annoyed you, and right back at ya for the rest....

'value its destroyers' Once again, you show yourself to be a fucked up prevaricator who hasn't learned to read, Cliff.

(slow fade as Cliff skips off singing, "What a day, what a day -- for an auto da fe!)

Buh buy!

Being accused of illiteracy from someone who is forced to employ the F word four times in one paragraph strikes me as a badge of honor. Wear it with pride, Cliff.

Steven:

You gotta do something with pimpely adolescents like O'Mcsomething aka O'.

I would suggest something along the lines of [Deleted] pasted over his f-words. Teach the child some manners and adult behavior.

cheers

O', I don't see any prevaricating whatsoever on the part of anyone here. Maybe you should look up words before you use them, rather than after you're told you're using them wrong?

www.dictionary.com , dudette.

We're not prevaricating. We're stating very clearly and for the record that evil men should be killed publicly, so that their victims and potential victims know that they are safer than they were.

If that bothers you, well, as you say, fuck you!

Most of the people shedding tears for the dead regieme are doing so because the USA is once again participating in a cardinal sin of war as dictated by the liberal and European "elite": actually killing members of the "ruling class".

It all leads back to the aristocratic mentality that is still pervasive in left wingers...that the unwashed masses have to be ruled over by the learned elite. It's why they believe that government is the answer to every problem.

Everybody knows that when you take down a country, the leaders are supposed to be able to go into exile (or at least kill themselves). Then along comes the USA and upsets the apple cart.

This is what is going to be the biggest long term effect of the Iraq War. Dictators are going to think twice about misbehaving or sponsoring terrorists because it means the USA is probably going to knock down their palace and go get them guns-a-blazing.

And that's what makes the world a sefer place.

IIRC, Saddam schemed to kill George HW Bush, AFTER Bush was already no longer President. (This was one reason for Operation Desert Fox, iirc.)

So, at a minimum, Saddam himself did not buy into the idea that you don't go after foreign leaders, and you CERTAINLY don't go after them after they're deposed.

Salam Pax (a real Iraqi in Iraq) at Where is Raed? (or hit Stephen's link at left under Top Shelf) has a post up from his real Iraqi friend, Riverbend, in case you are wondering or care what some real Iraqis are thinking (bolding mine):

"People are boiling over because of the whole Uday/Qusai saga... I mean give me a break- something like 400 troops for 4 guys??? You'd think they'd want them alive with numbers like that! People are infuriated because of the whole commotion- planes flying, Apaches hovering and freaked-out troops shooting right and left (yes, they shot civilians). Then, on top of all that crap, they decide to show the pictures on tv to 'prove to the Iraqi people' the deaths of Uday and Qusai... Pleeeeease... those pictures were obviously Bush's war trophy. And could they have come at a more convenient time for the nitwit??? I think not...

So, things are tense here. They have been since the end of the war. Someone has told troops posted in Mosul that everyone is the enemy- even little kids- so watch out! And they have been doing just that.

I'm so angry and frustrated Salam as everyone seems to be. We've got thousands of angry, ignorant American troops running around with tanks and guns pointed at everyone. What the hell happened? And since you're working with the press, what's up with not giving the number of American casualties?! It's funny how on Al-Jazeera the give the numbers in the following way: 'two wounded and two dead'... half an hour later it's: 'three wounded and one dead'- 'lo and behold! They are being resurrected!!!

Well, I'm telling you now- there have been plenty of casualties in Mosul during the 'gunfight' and after (in one of the wooded areas), but you'll be hearing about those in the following form: Troops Die in Car Accident in North of Iraq as Car Swerves to Avoid Crossing Sheep!

Riverbend"

Read the whole thing!

P.S. to the sensitive types: Sorry about the F-words. I get mad sometimes. Guess bloated, bloody corpses you can take, but some words you just can't say on blogs!

O'McSomething:

Still childish I see...

I'm used to bloated bloody corpses. You get things in perspective after a while. Corpses among them.

And why don't we hear about these things that Riverbend mouths? Or is the press A Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (patent applied for)??

Enlighten us, child.

O'...I did go read this, and sent this to the blog site:

Thanks for the interesting comments from Riverbend.

'What the hell happened?" asks Riverbend.

Now, that is a nice question.

Here's what happened. You were invaded, because you had one of the scummiest governments on the planet. Your invaders are now hunting down the remnant scum so they don't try for a comeback. Maybe you ought to try helping, instead you're whining about...overwhelming force used against two fo the vilest of that scum...and American casualty reports?

Here's another point...the American troops will leave at some point, perhaps sooner than anyone expects...and the remnant cleanup will all be up to you. You'd better hope that those 'angry, ignorant American troops' have done a sufficient cleanup job when that point comes. Absent terrorism in America, Americans living with potholes and gangs in Los Angeles care about as much about the future of Iraq as you care about potholes in LA. Right now there is a temporary coincidence of interests, caused by the action of crazed Islamist fascists in New York, between America and you in making a better government in Iraq. The coincidence of interests will be quite temporary, believe me. Seize the day, as they say.

Footnote...yes it is about oil...oil MONEY...it must absolutely stop going to murdering, fascist, 'fundi' scum...whether in Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, or Iran...

Most heartfelt best wishes for the future...

O': thanks for the lead.

Before I am remiss again: thanks, Ian.

Isn't Pax the same clown that said he'd be campaigning for the Communist Party, as soon as free elections and a Communist Party had been re-established in Iraq?

If so, color me completely unimpressed by anything he has to say.

If not, well, pardon the fuck out of me.

I notice you're not accusing anyone here of prevaricating any more, O'MyDarling. What happened? Did you finally figure out what the word meant?

pre·var·i·cate    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (pr-vr-kt)
intr.v. pre·var·i·cat·ed, pre·var·i·cat·ing, pre·var·i·cates

To stray from or evade the truth; equivocate. See Synonyms at lie2.

Works for me, but since you asked.

If you don't know anything about Salem Pax you are out of the loop. Read his latest.

i dunno wot to put!!! im jus bored!!! i'm speechless