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Posted by Stephen Green · 23 September 2002
Do they not teach economics in college any more? University student John Stevens writes: Nowhere in the US can a minimum-wage worker afford a two-bedroom home for their family... and in 75% of the country, even two full-time minimum-wage earners can't pay for family housing. It seems that either basic home prices need to come back down to a realistic and affordable level or people need to be paid a living wage, before home ownership will rise much more beyond current levels. John, rising wages without a corresponding rise in productivity is called "inflation." You're too young to remember what inflation is like, but I can tell you two things: A) It's no damn fun. B) It's no cure for high prices. The government can raise the minimum wage until it's a nice six-figure income. But all that means is a $25 Whopper and housing prices so high as to make today look tame. In other words, you don't cure the cancer of deflation with the brain stroke of inflation. You also missed the other point of my original post. Currently, the hot housing market is about the only thing keeping this economy afloat. Should that market deflate, it will not mean more affordable houses for the masses. It will instead mean more unemployed people still unable to buy a house, even at a reduced price. Comments
Nobody should expect be buying a home while making minimum wage. Thats why its called "minimum" and why for most people, the purchase of a first home is a major investment requiring a great deal of saving. Anyone who thinks we can make the quality of life in this country better by raising wages until the kid working at the McDonalds can go buy a new house is nuts. Posted by: Sean Kirby at September 23, 2002 04:55 PMThere is an economic theory which goes something like: prices rise in proportion to available money. Meaning with all the two person breadwinners in the country boosting family income into five figures housing prices will NOT come down. The guy is right. But ask him when did a person making the minimum wage EVER buy a house? A car? A dinner at a fine restaurant? Get fucking real Posted by: Howard Veit at September 23, 2002 05:08 PMJohn Stevens should read a basic Econ text. Most of the "working poor" earns more than the minimum wage...the min wage is earned primarily by first-job teenagers...raising the min wage would not help the group intended...rather it would give high school students more money to buy Eminem cd's, while pressuring employers to higher fewer people. It's really a simple economic principle...attempting to create a "price floor" (minimum wage) ensures a shortage of jobs. Employers will hire less, pure and simple. Posted by: Joe Baby at September 23, 2002 07:16 PMWe're working on it. Students tend to generalize from their own experience, and in their own experience many of them earn the minimum wage, or something close to it. Look here for an informal survey showing that perception at work. Posted by: Stephen Hopkins Karlson at September 23, 2002 08:22 PMThe minimum wage worker would have an easier time without taxes. You know FICA, State Income Tax, Social Security, Federal Income Tax. No, Stephen, they don't teach economics in college - at least not much. Which is why Steve Verdon and I have so much fun. Posted by: Robin Roberts at September 23, 2002 11:26 PMI was attempting to use the minimum-wage statistics as an *example* of why I believe the home ownership numbers may be reaching saturation (as the original post wondered) by taking a vast number of people out of the housing market... those being family breadwinners (or two of them together) who aren't being paid a living wage that would allow them to purchase even first-rung homes for their families in an overheated housing market that appears in recent years to be geared toward suburban McMansions instead of affordable homes. That said, I think the 'problem' lies less with wage levels than with the real estate/housing bubble market that's pushed more families out of the possible ranks of first-home owners. My perception has been that the supply of basic entry-level family housing has dwindled lately in relation to the demand for it (driving up the cost), with developers and builders favoring larger and more expensive homes targeted toward the more affluent that they can make a larger profit margin on. As evident in the second sentence I posted, my concern was with high home prices (that in my opinion are unrealistic) for working families; I certainly wasn't advocating that teenagers should be going out and purchasing real estate with their weekend McDonalds minimum wages, despite how my earlier comment was mischaracterized... I've had university macroeconomics, microeconomics, and international economics courses, and I do remember the inflation of the 1970's (definitely not a picnic). The 'hot housing market' may be what's keeping the economy above water, but it can't last forever... too many people seem to believe that they're entitled to large appreciations in the value of their homes (much as they believed they were entitled to continually-growing stock portfolios only a couple years ago), and they're about to get a rude awakening. It'll be wrenching, but having $350K-$400K one-story ranch houses or $100K mini-homes barely larger than an apartment seems like sheer lunacy to me - the prices should never have been (unsustainably) pushed that high in the first place! Posted by: John Steven at September 24, 2002 12:34 PM |
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