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We Get Silly Letters
Posted by Stephen Green · 21 August 2002
Reader Ed writes in reply to my earlier post on Will Saletan and capital gains: You seem to imply that the wages of human labor deserve to be taxed, while the wages of capital do not. First off, Ed -- we're all capitalists in this country. Whether you're negotiating the sale of your ditch-digging abilities, or negotiating the sale of bonds for your new company, you're engaging in the same right to contract. So let's ditch the class warfare crap and look at the facts, shall we? In my example, you had two investments. One made $50,000, the other lost you $20,000. So your income is $30,000. But without a tax break for the $20,000 you lost, you'll pay cap gains tax on the full $50,000, even though your income is 40% less. Is that the "extra" benefit a "capitalist" gains in our system, Ed? Notice I'm not even bothering to point out that capital gains are, by nature, a double taxation (on income already once "fully" taxed), a hindrance to investment, and a blunt tool used to make people feel guilty about providing jobs and opportunities. And, Ed, just because taxes are the price we pay to live in civilization, doesn't mean that more taxes make us more civilized. Quite the opposite. Jefferson said that a "wise and frugal government" shall restrain men from injuring each other, but leave them otherwise free to their own pursuits. Frankly, that doesn't cost very much. So get your greedy little hands out of my wallet. And if you can't do that, then at least try not to be so smug about your support of legalized theft. Comments
Despite his smugness, there is merit to the idea that this guy proffered. Posted by: bill-e at August 21, 2002 11:44 AMPoint, Stephen Posted by: Vince at August 21, 2002 11:49 AMSteve, I think that you misunderstand Ed's point. I think that he is talking about the special rates for net long term capital gains (lower than the regular income taxes). I do not think he was talking about taxing gains only with no offset for capital losses or taxing all proceeds of sales of stock. I do not have the entire post, so I may be wrong. Two questions you could have raised: 1. What about the effects of inflation? If you bought a stock for $1,000 in 1980, that $1,000 bought more then than it does today. Why should you be taxed for the effects of inflation? 2. What about net capital losses that exceed the $3,000? Can such losses offset other income (right now, net capital losses are limited to $3,000 offset to other income, with the excess carryforward to future years). If I have a loss in my proprietorship (business), I can offset any other income with that loss. If capital gains can be taxed like all other income, why can't I deduct capital losses like any other income? Posted by: andy at August 21, 2002 11:51 AMStephen -- You've gone off your rocker on this one. The guy makes a simple -- conservative, even libertarian -- proposal, to tax all income the same, and your response is "get your greedy little hands out of my wallet" !? Forget the class-warfare arguments; taxing different kinds of income at different rates is just plain a bad idea for all sorts of (conservative) reasons. It is really a form of industrial policy, saying that the government knows better than individuals how economic activity should be structured. It creates all sorts of distortions in the economy (such as a preference for debt financing over equity financing), it creates perverse incentives, and it wastes a lot of potentially productive resources by making it more worthwhile for talented people to spend their time figuring out how to get the preference than doing something with real economic value. (One of my investment funds that used to report dividends to me each year recently started reporting capital gains instead. Nothing really changed, but some MBA or tax lawyer for the fund had to spend a lot of time on that, to no real economic gain.) As to indexing, it's horribly complicated (especially for funds where you contribute regularly), and more importantly, it removes investors as an anti-inflation constituency. Posted by: Curt at August 21, 2002 01:09 PMWhen I said "capitalist" , I meant it as "someone who gets all of their income from capital", as opposed to "earning" it via their labor (and paying Social Security & medicare, AND taxes on it). The topic in question was: Now, a person who earns their living exculsively from employing their capital instead of their labor ( a "capitalist") , now pays ZERO for Social Security and Medicare and reduced tax rates on those capital gains held over a year. Not that I want to take money from your pocket (this is purely an academic exercise), but how exactly is this fair to "Joe Sixpack" who pays Social Security and full taxes on 100% of his income, and how is this NOT a huge giveaway to the 1% that holds something like 90% of the capital. Posted by: Ed at August 21, 2002 02:39 PMat current tax rates, having cap gains equiv to reg income would be economically disastrous. a decent harmonized rate would be 10%. speaking from much personal experience, cap gains reductions help ensure efficient markets and proper allocation of assets. Plus it tends to encourage equity financing over debt (rather than debt over equity as was said previously) because lenders get charged higher tax rates on interest...so people get better returns for their higher risk.. encourages risk taking... but yeah we should ave a flat tax, no deductions except for 8k per person/dependent... Posted by: Bugs Bunny at August 22, 2002 01:02 AM |
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